WELCOME. ROTH YEAH RIGHT WELCOME
TO THE F. FIRST- GATHERING OF
THE PHILLIES AND ENERGY
COMMITTEE I MUCH EDUARDO GARCIA
I WANT TO WELCOME YOU ALL TO
TODAY'S. CONVERSATION WE WILL
START BY TAKING THE ROLE- OF THE
MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE NORTH
FULTON INFORMATION HEARING SO I
HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT. BUT
JUMPED RIGHT IN. OUR STATION I
THINK WE HAVE TO HOUSEKEEPING
RULES. THAT WE NEED TO GO OVER
FIRST SO- WE BEGIN BY- MAKING
THAT EVERYONE RISK. THAT SAID
TODAY'S. HEARING FIRST OF THE
YEAR AND I'D LIKE TO CALL THE
MEETING TO ORDER WE'RE HERE TO
DISCUSS THE ANNUAL REVIEW OF THE
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION AND
THE PUBLIC ADVOCATE'S OFFICE.
THE START WE HAVE SOME
HOUSEKEEPING GO OVER WITH QUEST
TO PARTICIPATE- WE QUEST HERE TO
PARTICIPATE PHYSICALLY AT THIS
AND SEEN IN THE AUDIENCE AND
WEAR MASKS AT ALL TIMES. HERE IN
THE ROOM AT THE ROTH CAPITAL
BUILDING. WE HAVE VERY LIMITED
SPACE. WE ARE VERY LIMITED. THE
WHITE BUTTON THE WHITE BUTTON HI
GUYS WE HAVE ACT LIKE I'M NEW TO
THIS. NEW TO THIS ROOM HAD TRIED
- WE HAVE VERY LIMITED SPACE IN
OUR COMMITTEE ROOMS OR PALACE
WILL BE PARTICIPATING REMOTELY.
WE ENCOURAGE THOSE WHO ARE
WATCHING THE CALL DURING THE
PUBLIC COMMENT SEGMENT OF THIS
HEARING THE NUMBER- TO THIS
HEARING IS EIGHT SEVEN SEVEN SIX
NINE TWO. EIGHT NINE FIVE SEVEN
AND THE ACCESS CODE IS ONE THREE
ONE. FIVE FOUR THREE SEVEN. ALSO
FIND THIS NUMBER ON THE
CALIFORNIA STATE UTILITIES AND
ENERGY COMMITTEE WEBSITE AS WELL
AS ON THE TV SCREEN. WE HAVE A
HARD COPY HARD STOP AT SIX PM
AND I HOPE THAT THAT'S NOT A
WHOLE LONG WE HAVE TO GO. AND I
JUST WANTED TO CONVEY THAT
MESSAGE TO ALL OF THOSE WHO ARE
CALLING IN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE SEE AS WE APPROACH THE TIME
WILL KIND OF BRING IT TO FOCUS
ATTENTION AND TO INTERVENE AS IT
RELATES TO THE- TESTIMONY AS
WELL BEFORE THAT. WE WILL LIMIT
THE PUBLIC TELECONFERENCE
COMMENT PERIOD AT THE END OF
THIS HEARING. TO ONE HOUR. AND
AT THAT TIME DEPENDING ON HOW
MANY PEOPLE ARE SIGNED UP WILL.
DETERMINE HOW LONG PUBLIC
COMMENT- CAN BE AND SHALL BE. TO
MAKE TIME FOR EACH PERSON
WAITING TO COMMENT WE WILL ALSO.
LIMIT THE TESTIMONY FOR THOSE
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH
TO COMMENT BUT ARE UNABLE. TO
YOU MAY SUBMIT YOUR WRITTEN
COMMENTS TO THE COMMITTEE BY
EMAIL ADDRESS ON THE COMMITTEE
WEBSITE PAGE. I WILL MAINTAIN
DECORUM DURING THIS HEARING AS
IS CUSTOMARY AND ANY INDIVIDUAL
DISRUPTIVE MAY BE REMOVED FROM
THE HEARING ROOM. AND REMOTE
HEARING- BASED ON THE CHAIR'S
DISCRETION. WE'RE CERTAINLY IN A
SESSION OF TRANSFORMATION IN OUR
ENERGY SECTOR CALIFORNIA IS
LEADING THE CHARGE IN ITS
RENEWABLE ENERGY DEPLOYMENT
WHILE HAVING TO DYNAMICALLY
BALANCE. THE DEMANDS OF
RELIABILITY AND AFFORDABILITY.
RECORD SETTING WILDFIRES
CONTINUE TO BECAUSE BY. AND THE
THREAT TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE
WHICH I'M SURE WILL HAVE A
ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT PUBLIC
SAFETY POWER SHUT OFFS FURTHER
COMPLICATE THESE FIRE IMPACTS
WHILE ATTEMPTING TO MITIGATE.
THE THREAT. ON TOP OF WILDFIRE
RELIABILITY HAS RELIABILITY HAS
BEEN TESTED BY SUMMER HEAT WAVES
WHICH HAVE TAXED OUR ENERGY GRID
SYSTEM AND PUT OUR BACK UP PLANS
THROUGH THEIR PACES PACES WE
SHOULD BE PROUD THAT THE STATE
AGENCIES AND PAT CAL EYES SO
KEPT THE LIGHTS ON DURING THOSE
TAKE TIME BUT WE MUST ALSO BE
VIGILANT. AT THAT SUBSEQUENT
SUMMERS ARE NOT STRAINED MANY
CALIFORNIANS ARE CURRENTLY
EXPERIENCING BILL IMPACTS SOME
OF WHICH ARE EXTRAORDINARY SUCH
AS DOUBLING OR TRIPLING OF THEIR
USUAL BILL COMPARED TO SIGN UP
BILLS IN THE PAST YET IN THE
MIDST OF THE CHALLENGES WE
CONTINUE OUR VITAL OPERATIONS
WHILE MEETING OUR CLEAN ENERGY
TARGETS. AND STRIVING TO MAKE
OUR ENERGY AFFORDABLE CPC
DIRECTED THE ACQUISITION OF
ELEVEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED
MEGAWATTS OF CLEAN RESOURCES TO
COME ONLINE BY TWENTY TWENTY SIX
AND RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR A
DIVERSE PORTFOLIO TO MEET OUR
RELIABILITY NEEDS WE PROVIDED
OVER ONE BILLION IN CUSTOMER
DEBT FORGIVENESS TO THOSE MOST
FINANCIALLY IMPACTED DURING
COVERT NINETEEN. AND WE
ESTABLISHED A NEW OFFICE OF
ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE SAFETY TO
ENSURE THE SAFETY OF OUR GREAT
REMAINS OUR TOP PRIORITY IS JUST
A SLICE OF THE WORK OF THE
ORGANIZATIONS. THAT WE HAVE
HIGHLIGHTED WE HAVE INVITED HERE
TODAY THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC
UTILITIES COMMISSION THAT WOULD
REGULATORY ENTITY CHARGED WITH
OVERSEEING A VITAL UTILITY
SERVICE AND THE PUBLIC
ADVOCATE'S OFFICE THE ENTITY
CHARGED WITH ENSURING RATEPAYER
INTERESTS ARE REPRESENTED AND
HEARD TODAY WE INVITE THE AGENCY
LEADERS- TO OUR COMMITTEE TO
PROVIDE COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE ON
THEIR WORK OVER THE PAST YEAR.
WITH THAT LET ME WELCOME
PRESIDENT ALICE REYNOLDS THE
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION TO PROVIDE. HER
OPENING REMARKS. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH CHAIR GARCIA CAN EVERYONE
HEAR ME. OKAY RIGHT GOOD
AFTERNOON CHERKASY ADVISED HER
PATTERSON AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS
I AM HONORED TO BE HERE WITH YOU
TODAY FOR THE ANNUAL REVIEW OF
THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES
COMMISSION I AM ALICE REYNOLDS
PRESIDENT OF THE COMMISSION AND
I'M JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUES
RACHEL PETERSON EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE COMMISSION SIMON
BAKER INTERIM DEPUTY EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR FOR ENERGY AND CLIMATE
POLICY. PETE SCALA DIRECTOR OF
ELECTRIC SUPPLY PLANNING AND
COSTS FOREST KAYSER ARE DEPUTY
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR SAFETY AND
ENFORCEMENT AND SAFETY POLICY.
IN MY INTRODUCTORY REMARKS I
WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THREE
AREAS ENERGY RELIABILITY AND OUR
TRANSITION TO A 100% CLEAN
ENERGY AFFORDABILITY AND EQUITY
AND FINALLY I WILL BRIEFLY
COVER. WELFARE SAFETY. OVERALL
THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE
COMMISSION CONSUMER PROTECTION
AFFORDABILITY AND EQUITY SAFETY
AND RELIABILITY OF OUR UTILITY
SERVICES AND TRANSITIONING TO A
CLEAN ENERGY SYSTEM ARE VERY
CLEAR. BUT A CHEATING THEM AS
REGULATORS OF THE STATE'S
PRIVATE ENERGY COMMUNICATIONS
TRANSPORTATION AND WIRE
PROVIDERS IS CHALLENGING. IT
REQUIRES FULL AND THOUGHTFUL USE
OF THE COMMISSION'S REGULATORY
AUTHORITY INCLUDING ACTIVE
MANAGEMENT CREATIVITY AND
CONSTANT ADAPTATION. SO FIRST I
WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS AN ISSUE
RAISED BY THE CHAIR AND THAT THE
COMMISSION HAS BEEN INTENSELY
FOCUSED ON IN RECENT YEARS
ENSURING THAT OUR RETAIL ENERGY
PROVIDERS OR LOAD SERVING
ENTITIES. HAVE ENOUGH POWER TO
RELIABLY RUN OUR ELECTRIC SYSTEM
IN THE FACE OF A CHANGING
CLIMATE MAKING EXTREME WEATHER
EVENTS MORE FREQUENT AND SEVERE
. DESPITE THE WORK WE STARTED
OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. YOU ALL
RECALL THE CALIFORNIA EXPERIENCE
VERY TIGHT ENERGY SUPPLY
CONDITIONS LAST SUMMER LEADING
TO AN EXECUTIVE ORDER BY THE
GOVERNOR WHICH EXPEDITED CLEAN
ENERGY PROJECTS AND PUT IN PLACE
EMERGENCY TEMPORARY RELIABILITY
MEASURES. IN THE MEANTIME AS A
SAFETY NET IN THE EVENT OF
EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS. IN CLOSE
COORDINATION WITH THE CALIFORNIA
ENERGY COMMISSION AND THE
CALIFORNIA INDEPENDENT SYSTEM
OPERATOR. THE CQC WENT TO WORK
TO QUICKLY ADAPT OUR REGULATORY
REQUIREMENTS TO MATCH CHANGING
CLIMATE CONDITIONS THAT ARE
OCCURRING CONCURRENTLY WITH THE
TRANSITION OF OUR ENERGY SYSTEM.
AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUEL. WE
STARTED WITH CREATION OF THE BIG
TENT TOGETHER WITH OUR STATE
PARTNERS WE HAVE INCREASED
COORDINATION WITH LOCAL
JURISDICTIONS UTILITIES
COMMUNITY CHOICE AGGREGATORS
GENERATORS PROJECT DEVELOPERS
DEMAND RESPONSE PROVIDERS AND
LARGE INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS. AT
THE SAME TIME WITH THIS GROUP WE
INCREASE SITUATION AWARENESS
CAREFUL ASSESSMENT OF CLIMATE
CHANGE DRIVEN WEATHER CONDITIONS
HAS NOW BECOME A CRITICAL PART
OF OUR ENERGY PLAYBOOK. WE TOOK
STEPS TO ENSURE THAT THE
UTILITIES TO PROVIDE POWER IN
THE STATE NOT JUST THE LARGE
IDEAS BUT ALSO THE COMMUNITY
CHOICE AGGREGATORS AND DIRECT
ACCESS PROVIDERS ARE INCREASING
SUPPLY AND DOING IT QUICKLY. WE
USED A COMBINATION OF OUR NEW
RULEMAKING KNOWN AS THE SUMMER
RELIABILITY RULEMAKING AND THE
COMMISSION'S EXISTING INTEGRATED
RESOURCE PLANNING PROCEEDING.
USING THESE PROCESSES THE
COMMISSION ORDERED THE DIRECT
PROCUREMENT OF ENERGY RESOURCES
AND ESTABLISH NEW PROGRAMS THAT
LEAD TO ADDITIONAL RESOURCES
RAMPING UP BOTH DEMAND RESPONSE
TOOLS AND NEW SUPPLY THAT COULD
BE BROUGHT ON LINE QUICKLY. SO
INCREASING SUPPLY AND DECREASING
DEMAND TO COVER THAT CRITICAL
NOT PEAK TIME ESPECIALLY DURING
WEST WHITE HEAT EVENTS WHEN
IMPORTS FROM OUR STATE ARE
LIMITED. I ALSO WANT TO BE CLEAR
THAT CONCURRENTLY WITH THESE
NEAR TERM RELIABILITY EFFORTS
WE'RE NOT STALLING OR
BACKTRACKING ON CALIFORNIA'S
CLEAN ENERGY FUTURE AND IF
ANYTHING WE HOPE TO ACCELERATE
AND THE MONTHS AND YEARS TO COME
. WE'VE SEEN THE IMPACTS OF
CLIMATE CHANGE IN THE WEST WIDE
HE DEMANDS OF THE LAST TWO
SUMMERS. AND THE ONLY THING WE
REALLY KNOW FOR CERTAIN IS THAT
WE WILL SEE MORE UNPRECEDENTED
WEATHER CONDITIONS IN THE FUTURE
MAKING IT MORE CRITICAL THAT THE
CONTENT COMMISSION CONTINUES ON
ITS PATH TO DRIVE ENERGY
PROVIDERS TO CLEANER SOURCES OF
ELECTRICITY. WITH RESPECT TO
CLEAN ENERGY IN THE MEDIUM AND
LONG TERM THE COMMISSION IS
COLLABORATING CLOSELY WITH ITS
YOU SEE THAT CALIFORNIA AIR
RESOURCES BOARD AND THAT HIGH SO
AND PLANNING AS WELL AS
FACILITATION. THE AGENCIES
JOINTLYDEVELOPED THE SB ONE
HUNDRED REPORT AND THAT ASSESSED
VARIOUS PATHWAYS FOR MEETING ARE
A 100% CLEAN ENERGY GOAL BY
TWENTY FORTY FIVE. AND AT THE
COMMISSION WE ARE MOVING FORWARD
TO ENSURE PROCUREMENT OF
RESOURCES AT THE REQUIRED PACE
TO MEET OUR CLIMATE GOALS. THOSE
RESOURCES MUST OF COURSE BE
AVAILABLE TO MEET DEMAND AT ALL
HOURS INCLUDING THE SUMMER
EVENING HOURS. AS WELL AS SOLAR
GENERATION IS DECREASING AT A
FASTER RATE THAN ELECTRICITY
DEMAND. IS DECREASING AND THE
COMMISSION MUST ENSURE THAT
THESE NEW RESOURCES MOVE US
FORWARD TOWARDS ACHIEVEMENT OF
OUR CLIMATE GOALS. CAN YOU THE
STATE'S FUTURE RELIABILITY NEEDS
AS THE CHAIRMAN SENT PREVIOUSLY
LAST SUMMER WE ORDERED- EIGHT
ELEVEN. ELEVEN POINT FIVE
GIGAWATT INCREASED AND
PROCUREMENT OVER THE NEXT FIVE
YEARS AS PART OF OUR INTEGRATED
RESOURCE PLANNING PROCEEDING.
THIS WILL RESULT IN A
SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER PLANNING
RESERVE MARGIN WHAT I LIKE TO
THINK OF AS THE SUPPLY BUFFER.
THAT WE HAVE REQUIRED OVER PAST
THAT AND THEN WE HAVE REQUIRED
OVER THE PAST TWENTY YEARS IN
ANTICIPATION OF INCREASED
WEATHER RELATED STRESSES ON OUR
GRID. THIS ELEVEN POINT FIVE
GIGAWATTS IS IN ADDITION TO THE
APPROXIMATELY FIVE POINT THREE
GIGABYTES OF NEW CLEAN ENERGY
RESOURCES THAT WERE ALREADY
SCHEDULED TO COME ONLINE BETWEEN
TWENTY TWENTY AND TWENTY TWENTY
FOUR AS A RESULT OF. PRIOR
COMMISSION ACTIONS. THESE
RESOURCES INCLUDE WHEN SOLAR
BATTERY STORAGE AND SOLAR PLUS
STORAGE. WELL THE PURPOSE OF THE
NEW PROCUREMENT IS PRIMARILY
RELIABILITY TO REPLACE THE
RETIREMENT OF DIABLO CANYON AND
THE ONCE THROUGH COOLING GAS
GENERATION PLANTS ALL OF THE NEW
RESOURCES ARE REQUIRED TO BE
CLEAN RESOURCES AND THAT WILL
THEREFORE SUPPORT THE COMMISSION
THE STATE'S LONG TERM GREENHOUSE
GAS EMISSION GOALS. THE
COMMISSION ALSO RECENTLY
APPROVED A DECISION TO FURTHER
ACCELERATE OUR PATH TO ZERO
CARBON ELECTRIC SYSTEM BY
ADOPTING. A THIRTY MILLION
METRIC TON BY TWENTY THIRTY TWO
ELECTRIC SECTOR GREENHOUSE GAS
PLANNING TARGET THIS TARGET
STEMS FROM THE AIR RESOURCES
BOARD'S SCOPING PLAN ALLOCATION
FOR THE ELECTRIC SECTOR. AND
WHILE THIS IS MORE AND STRINGENT
THAN OUR PREVIOUS TARGET- WE
EXPECT TO MEET THE STAND HELP OF
PLANNING IN OUR IN OUR PROCESS
TO GET THERE. THIS TARGET
EQUAES TO A PORTFOLIO OF ENERGY
RESOURCE IN CALIFORNIA- THAT IS
86% GREENHOUSE GAS FREE BY
TWENTY THIRTY TWO. AND IT ALSO
EQUATES TO A 73% RENEWABLE
PORTFOLIO STANDARD. SO WE'VE
COME A LONG WAY AND TO ENSURE
THAT THERE'S TRENDS SUFFICIENT
TRANSMISSION TO SORT OF THE
ADDITIONAL ENERGY RESOURCES WE
HAVE ORDERED. WE ARE ACTIVE
PARTICIPANTS IN THE CASE OF
ANNUAL TRANSMISSION PLANNING
PROCESS IN WHICH THAT HIGH SO
CAN TAX ANALYSIS OF THE
TRANSMISSION NEEDS THAT WILL BE
REQUIRED OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS
. AND OUR INPUT IS INFORMED BY
OUR OWN INTEGRATED RESOURCE
PLANNING PROCEEDING. NEXT I
WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS ENERGY
AFFORDABILITY AND EQUITY.
STARKLY CALIFORNIA RESIDENTIAL
CUSTOMER WITH CUSTOMER BILLS
HAVE GENERALLY BEEN LOWER THAN
THE MAJORITY OF INVESTOR OWNED
UTILITIES MANDATE STATES BUT AS
IDENTIFIED IN THE COMMISSION'S
RECENT- ANNUAL IN PORTABILITY
REPORT. TOTAL ENERGY BILLS FOR
ENERGY PRICE SENSITIVE
HOUSEHOLDS ARE PROJECTED TO
OUTPACE INFLATION OVER THE NEXT
DECADE. WELL THE RATE OF
INFLATION IS TYPICALLY ONE POINT
9% A YEAR ENERGY BILLS ARE
FORECASTED TO RISE FOUR POINT 5%
ANNUALLY FOR HOUSEHOLDS IN
HOTTER REGIONS OF THE STATE. AND
AS WE'VE SEEN IN THE NEWS
RECENTLY WE ARE CURRENTLY
EXPERIENCING A PANDEMIC GERMAN
SEVEN POINT 5% SPIKE IN
INFLATION COMPARED TO LAST YEAR
THIS IS MAKING BASIC LIVING
EXPENSES EVEN MORE BURDENSOME
FOR RATES INSTEAD HOUSEHOLDS
ESPECIALLY THOSE HIT HARD WITH
THE PANDEMIC. IT'S IMPORTANT TO
UNDERSTAND THE LARGER CONTEXT
BEHIND OUR ENERGY BILLS THE
EXPENSES THAT ARE CAUSING
ELECTRIC AND GAS BILLS TO
INCREASE OUR LARGELY DIRECT PASS
THROUGH COSTS PAID BY ELECTRIC
SERVICE. INCLUDING THE COST OF
WHILE FOR MITIGATION EFFORTS AND
THE COST OF NEW CLEAN ENERGY
PROJECTS AS WELL AS THE COST OF
FUELS. NATURAL GAS IS STILL USED
TO GENERATE ENERGY AS THE SUN
SETS AND AT NIGHT. WE HAD A COLD
DECEMBER FOLLOWED CLOSELY AFTER
WITH RATE INCREASES THAT ARE
IMPACTED BY VOLATILITY IN
NATURAL GAS PRICES. RISING BOTH
NATIONWIDE AND GLOBALLY DUE TO
SURGING DEMAND AND LIMITED
SUPPLY. AND IF PROVEN THAT BY
THE TO THE COMMISSION WE KNOW
THAT THESE COST WILL BE DIRECTLY
I PASSED THROUGH TO CUSTOMERS.
AND WHILE RATES VARY ACCORDING
TO LONG TERM COMPLEX TRENDS WE
CANNOT AFFORD IGNORE THE FACT
THAT CALIFORNIANS ARE FEELING
THE IMPACT ON THEIR BILLS HERE
NOW. AVERAGE GAS AND ELECTRIC I
AM YOU RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS ARE
EXPECTED TO SEE A- 10220% RATE
INCREASE THIS YEAR. SO IT'S A
LARGER INCREASE MUCH LARGER
INCREASE THAN WE'VE SEEN IN PAST
YEARS- WELL WE DO HAVE PROGRAMS
FOR LOW INCOME CUSTOMERS TO
REDUCE ENERGY BILLS WE KNOW THAT
IT'S GETTING MORE AND MORE
DIFFICULT FOR MANY CUSTOMERS. TO
MAKE SURE WE'RE USING ALL OUR
TOOLS TO ADDRESS AFFORDABILITY
THE COMMISSION OPENED AN
AFFORDABILITY PROCEEDING THROUGH
THIS PROCEEDING AFFORDABILITY
METRICS WERE DEVELOPED TO
UNDERSTAND RATE IMPACTS BY
GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION AND THE
COMMISSION HOLD HELD A TWO DAY
WORKSHOP JUST THIS WEEK WE ARE
FORTUNATE. TO HAVE JERRY GARCIA
JOIN US AT THAT EVENT. WE WILL
CONTINUE TO EXPLORE COST
CONTAINMENT THROUGH THIS
PROCEEDING AS WELL AS CONSIDER
COSTS AND ALL OF THE
COMMISSION'S ACTIONS. I'M ALSO
VERY MUCH AWARE THAT THESE
ISSUES AND OTHERS DIRECTLY
IMPACT THE DAILY LIVES OF THE
PUBLIC AS PRESIDENT I LOOK
FORWARD TO ENGAGING WITH THE
PUBLIC AND ENCOURAGE PUBLIC
PARTICIPATION IN THE WORK OF THE
COMMISSION. WE NEED TO BE
TRANSPARENT IN THE WORK THAT WE
DO WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT ALL
COMMUNITIES LARGE AND SMALL
RURAL AND URBAN ARE TAKEN INTO
CONSIDERATION AS WE ACT. WE NEED
TO INCLUDE THE INPUTS OF LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS AS WELL AS TRIBAL
GOVERNMENTS. AND MOREOVER THOSE
COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN
OVERLOOKED IN THE PAST TO SERVE
OUR SPECIAL ATTENTION AND FOCUS
. TO THIS END THE COMMISSION HAS
BEEN WORKING TO INCREASE
CONSIDERATION OF EQUITY AND
SOCIAL JUSTICE AND ITS DECISION
MAKING IN TWO THOUSAND NINETEEN
THE COMMISSION ADOPTED AND
EQUITY AND SOCIAL JUSTICE ACTION
PLAN WHICH HAS NINETY FIVE
ACTION ITEMS. THESE INCLUDE
INCREASING ACCESS OF EQUITY AND
SOCIAL JUSTICE COMMUNITIES TO
COMMISSION PROCESSES INCREASING
COMMUNITY ACCESS TO COMMISSION
PROGRAMS IN HEAT CREASING FOCUS
ON CAPACITY BUILDING. IN EQUITY
AND SOCIAL JUSTICE COMMUNITIES
AND INTRODUCING EQUITY AND
SOCIAL JUSTICE PRIORITIES AND
KEEP PROCEEDINGS. THE
COMMISSION'S WORK IS CONTINUING
ON ALL OF THESE AREAS. NEXT I
WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS WILDFIRE
MITIGATION YOU'LL RECALL THAT ON
JULY FIRST TWENTY TWENTY ONE THE
COMMISSION'S WELFARE SAFETY
DIVISION LEFT THE COMMISSION AND
TRANSITIONED INTO THE OFFICE OF
ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE SAFETY
WITHIN THE CALIFORNIA. NATURAL
RESOURCES AGENCY WITH THIS JULY
ONE TRANSITION THE COMMISSION'S
WELFARE SAFETY DIVISION STAFF
TRANSFER TO THE NEW OFFICE AND
TOOK THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE
UTILITIES WILDFIRE MITIGATION
PLANS INCLUDING REVIEW AND
APPROVAL AS WELL AS OVERSIGHT
AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE PLANS.
BECAUSE OF THE WORK OF THE
LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR TO
STRENGTHEN THESE WILD FOR
MITIGATION PLANS IN EIGHTEEN
FIFTY FOUR THE PLANS NOW FORM
THE BACKBONE A STATE OVERSIGHT
OVER THE UTILITY'S RECENT
INTENSIFIED EFFORTS TO REDUCE
THE RISK OF ELECTRICAL LINES AND
EQUIPMENT CAUSING. CATASTROPHIC
WILDFIRES. THE COMMISSION RANGE
RETAINS THE ABILITY TO REVIEW OF
THE COSTS THAT THE UTILITIES ARE
EXPANDING TO PAY FOR THESE
EFFORTS. THE COMMISSION EXAMINES
UTILITY EXPENDITURES FOR WELFARE
MEDICATION TO DETERMINE IF THERE
ARE REASONABLE AND ELIGIBLE FOR
COST RECOVERY THE COMMISSION HAS
A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE
OFFICE OF ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE
SAFETY. WITH THE COORDINATED
WORK PLAN THAT ENABLES EACH
AGENCY TO CARRY OUT ITS
RESPECTIVE RESPONSIBILITIES. THE
COMMISSION ALSO WORKS IN
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE OFFICE OF
ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE SAFETY CAL
FIRE AND THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY
SERVICES TO MONITOR THE
UTILITIES USE OF PUBLIC SAFETY
POWER SHOPS OR PS PS I KNOW ALL
OF YOU AS WELL AS MOST
CALIFORNIANS ARE UNFORTUNATELY
VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS WILDFIRE
PREVENTION TOOL WHICH CONSISTS
OF DE ENERGIZING POWER LINES TO
AVOID CATASTROPHIC WILDFIRES.
CAUSING LOSS OF ELECTRICAL POWER
SOMETIMES FOR MULTIPLE DAYS.
AFTER THE WILDFIRE SEASON OF
TWENTY NINETEEN DURING WHICH P.
S. P. S. ADVANCE WERE BY
SPRADLING FAYE AND CONDUCTED
WITH AN EFFECTIVE CUSTOMER
COMMUNICATIONS. THE COMMISSION
CREATED PS PS PROTOCOLS THAT
HAVE BEEN REFINED AND UPDATED
SINCE THEN. IN PARTICULAR WE
MADE CLEAR THAT THE PUBLIC
SAFETY POWER SHUT OFFS MUST BE
USED AS A MEASURE OF LAST RESORT
FOR WILDFIRE MITIGATION. AND
EACH YEAR THE UTILITIES MUST
WORK TO REDUCE THE SCOPE
DURATION AND FREQUENCY OF THESE
EVENTS. THIS YEAR THE COMMISSION
HAS CONTINUED TO FOCUS ON
EFFORTS TO IMPROVE THE UTILITIES
PS PS UNDER PERFORMANCE THE PAST
YEARS SO IT IS NOT REPEATED.
JUST LAST WEEK WE HELD A TWO DAY
WORKSHOP AND WHICH THE UTILITIES
PROVIDED DETAILED REPORTS ON
TWENTY TWENTY ONE PERFORMANCE.
INCLUDING WHAT THEIR METRICS
SHOW AND WHAT DATA THEY HAVE
COLLECTED. REFLECTING THE
COMMISSION'S CLOSE COLLABORATION
WITH OTHER AGENCIES ON THIS
ISSUE THESE ISSUES WE WERE
JOINED AT THE WORKSHOP BY THE
LEADERSHIP OF CAL FIRE. THE
OPPOSITE THE ENERGY
INFRASTRUCTURE SAFETY AND THE OP
CALIFORNIA OFFICE OF EMERGENCY
SERVICES. IN THESE WORKSHOPS WE
HEARD ABOUT THE PROGRESS THE
UTILITIES HAVE MADE BUT THERE
ARE STILL MORE WORK TO BE DONE.
AS WE MOVE INTO THAT SPOT FOR
SEASON AND BEYOND WILL CONTINUE
TO WORK WITH OUR SISTER
AGENCIES. TO DO OUR PART IN
COORDINATED OVERSIGHT OF PS PS
PLANNING AND EXECUTION AND WILL
BE LOOKING FOR CONTINUE TO
PROVIDE IMPROVEMENT AND THE
UTILITIES P. S. P. S.
PERFORMANCE. AND FINALLY IF
YOU'LL DOOR TOLD ME ALTHOUGH
IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE
JURISDICTION THIS COMMITTEE I
JUST WANTED TO ADD A VERY BRIEF
NOTE ON THE DIGITAL DIVIDE AN
ISSUE WITH THAT THE LEGISLATURE
INCLUDING MEMBERS OF THIS
COMMITTEE SPEARHEADED TOGETHER
WITH THE GOVERNOR LAST YEAR.
RESULTING AND TRANSFORMATIONAL
PROGRESS ON BROADBAND FOR ALL.
THE COMMISSION HAS ROLE IN
IMPLEMENTING THE HISTORIC BUDGET
INVESTMENTS WHICH LEVERAGES
FEDERAL FUNDS AND MAXIMIZE
BENEFITS FOR COMMUNITIES
THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA WHO'VE
BEEN LEFT. BEHIND FOR FAR TOO
LONG. AS PRESIDENT I'M READY TO
TACKLE THE HARD WORK TOGETHER
WITH LOCAL AND TRIBAL
GOVERNMENTS CONSUMER ADVOCATES
AND PUBLIC. THE BILL NETWORKS
THAT WILL PROVIDE MODERN
AFFORDABLE AND RELIABLE
BROADBAND SERVICES THAT ARE
FUTURE PROOF AND LASTING FOR
DECADES TO COME AND SO I JUST
WANTED TO ADD. A QUICK THANK YOU
TO MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE AND
THE ENTIRE LEGISLATURE FOR YOUR
ROLE IN THAT EFFORT. WITH THAT
GARCIA AND MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU
AGAIN FOR THE INVITATION TO
SPEAK TODAY TO DISCUSS THE
ACTIVITIES OF THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION. AND
I LOOK FORWARD TO ANSWERING ANY
QUESTIONS. I THANK YOU PRESIDENT
REYNOLDS- NOW DIRECTOR MATT
BAKER OF THE PUBLIC ADVOCATE'S
OFFICE YOU MAY BEGIN. GARCIA
VICE CHAIRMAN PATTERSON MEMBERS
OF THE COMMITTEE. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE
HERE TODAY MY NAME IS MATT BAKER
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE PUBLIC
ADVOCATE'S OFFICE WITH ME HERE
TODAY ARE LINDA TO RESOLVE. NRG
CHRIS. DEPUTY FOR WATER
COMMUNICATIONS. AND CHIEF
COUNSEL DAHLEM FOR OUR- THAT'S
WHAT MONTH I WAS APPOINTED BY
GOVERNOR TO DIRECT OFFICE SO I
THINK IT'S ONLY APPROPRIATE THAT
I BEGIN THIS BREEDING BY
INTRODUCING MYSELF AND
DISCUSSING SOME OF MY IMMEDIATE
PRIORITIES AT THE PUBLIC
ADVOCATE'S OFFICE. PRIOR TO
BEING APPOINTED BY GOVERNOR
NEWSOM HI SIR MANY PUBLIC AND
PRIVATE LEADERSHIP ROLES MOST
RECENTLY AS DEPUTY SECRETARY FOR
ENERGY AT THE NATURAL RESOURCES
AGENCY. AS YOU KNOW THE CORE
MISSION OF THE PUBLIC ADVOCATES
OFFICES TO ADVOCATE FOR
AFFORDABLE SAFE RELIABLE UTILITY
SERVICES AT THE LOWEST POSSIBLE
COSTS. IT IS ALSO PART OF OUR
MISSION TO PROVIDE YOU WITH
BALLOT SOLID ANALYSIS. AND
RECOMMENDATIONS TO HELP YOU MAKE
INFORMED DECISION ON EVEN THE
MOST COMPLICATED ISSUE. ISSUES
IN ENERGY WE AGREE WITH
PRESIDENT RONALD THE ANARCHY
MOST IMPORTANT IMMEDIATE ENERGY
CHALLENGES ARE THE CLEAN ENERGY
TRANSITION MAINTAINING
RELIABILITY AND ADDRESSING THE
THREAT OF WILDFIRE. ON CLEAN
ENERGY WE ARE WET READY WILLING
AND ABLE TO HELP CALIFORNIA TO
HELP CALIFORNIA TRANSITION TO A
CLEAN ENERGY FUTURE. WE SEE OUR
ROLE TO ADVOCATE FOR ZERO CARBON
GRADE AT THE LOWEST POSSIBLE
COST. CALIFORNIA MUST SUCCEED IN
MEETING OUR CLIMATE GOALS BUT WE
MUST ALSO DO SO IN A MANNER THAT
IS AFFORDABLE SO THE OTHER
STATES IN JURISDICTIONS AND
COUNTRIES WILL FOLLOW OUR LEAD.
FOR LIABILITY IS ALSO AS
IMPORTANT AS THE PORTABILITY.
AND HERE WE HOPE TO PLAY A
CONSTRUCTIVE ROLE RECOMMENDING
CREATIVE STRATEGIES TO ENSURE
GRID RELIABILITY. AND FINALLY
THE WILDFIRE CHANNELS WILL BE
WITH US INTO THE FORESEEABLE
FUTURE. OUR GOAL IS TO ENSURE
THAT UTILITIES ARE DOING ALL
THEY CAN TO PREVENT THEIR
APPOINTMENT FROM STARTING
WILDFIRES BUT HELPING TO DO SO
IN A COST EFFECTIVE MANNER. I
WANT MY OFFICE TO BE A RESOURCE
TO YOU I BELIEVE OUR MUTUAL
GOALS ARE TO ACHIEVE THE
GREATEST POSSIBLE BENEFITS FROM
OUR UTILITIES. AT THE LOWEST
POSSIBLE COST. IN ADDITION WE
WORK IN THE AREAS OF
COMMUNICATIONS AND WATER. AND
HERE WE HELP TO PARTNER WITH YOU
TO TACKLE SOME COURT CHALLENGES
WITH KEY RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW
TO PROVIDE A PRIORITIZE ACCESS
IN UNDERSERVED AND UNSERVED
AREAS. ADDRESS SERVICE QUALITY
ISSUES AND WHERE TO MAKE
INVESTMENTS. IN GENERAL NO ONE
SHOULD BE WITHOUT CRITICAL
UTILITY SERVICES. AND THEY NEED
TO BE PROVIDED AND AFFORDABLE
MANNER. OUR COMMITMENT IS TO
PROVIDE IT TO BE THAT STRONG
VOICE FOR UTILITY CUSTOMERS WHO
DO NOT HAVE THE TIME OR WHERE
WITH ALL TO GO BEFORE THE
COMMISSION. THIS COMMITMENT HAS
NEVER BEEN STRONGER. THIS IS
CLEARLY SHOW NO WORK FROM LAST
YEAR- AND- WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO
TURN TO OUR WORK FROM LAST YEAR
AS WELL. YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE OR
ANY REPORT AND SLIDE BACK BEFORE
YOU DISCUSSES THIS IN THE
INTEREST OF TIME I'M ONLY GOING
TO BRIEFLY NOTE SOME OF THE
HIGHLIGHTS FROM IT REALLY WON'T
SPEND A LOT. ON OUR MISSION AND
OUR WORK AND YOU KNOW WE'RE HERE
TO ADVOCATE FOR THE LOWEST
POSSIBLE UTILITY RATES FOR
CALIFORNIA'S CONSUMERS. BUT TO
DO SO IN A IN A WAY THAT IS
CONSISTENT WITH SAFETY
RELIABILITY AND HAVING US MEET
OUR STATE'S CHRONICLES. LAST
YEAR REPORTERS PETER NUMBER TWO
HUNDRED TWENTY PROCEEDINGS FILED
OVER EIGHT HUNDRED FIFTY
PLEADINGS AND SUCCESSFULLY INTER
INTERACTIVE WITH THE WITH THE
PUBLIC- NUMEROUS TIMES- I THINK
THAT THE BOTTOM LINE FOR OUR
WORK IS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO
HELP SAVE CALIFORNIANS MORE THAN
THREE POINT SEVEN BILLION
DOLLARS. IN THE FORM OF LOWER
UTILITY REVENUE REQUIREMENTS AND
THIS HELPED HELPED CUSHION SOME
OF THE RATE INCREASES THAT WE'VE
SEEN OVER THE LAST YEAR- AS YOU
KNOW WE FACED MANY CHALLENGES
THIS YEAR. AT AS YOU KNOW WE
FACE MANY CHALLENGES THIS YEAR
INCLUDING WILDFIRES POWER SHUT
OFFS THE PANDEMIC LOTS OF
TELEPHONE AND INTERNET IT IS IN
INTERNET SERVICES. I THINK THE
BIGGEST CHALLENGE THOUGH WITH
THAT WORK FACING ALL OF THESE
COME TOGETHER IS THE CRISIS IN
AFFORDABILITY- AND ALL OF OUR
AREAS WE ARE SEEING INCREASING
COSTS. ALTHOUGH IN ENERGY IT
REALLY THE CHALLENGE IS PROBABLY
THE GREATEST. IF YOU CAN SEE ON
THE SCREEN STARTING IN TWENTY
FOURTEEN. UP WE START TO SEE A
DIVERGENCE BETWEEN THE INCREASE
IN ENERGY BUILT IN INFLATION
WITH UNFORTUNATELY BILLS
INCLUDING INCREASING FASTER THAN
INFLATION. MORE RECENTLY THAT
TREND HAS GOT MORE PRONOUNCED.
RECEIVE THE THREE MAIN DRIVERS
OF THESE ENERGY BILL INCREASES
BEING ONE INCREASING INVESTMENTS
AT CAPITAL INVESTMENTS
PARTICULARLY IN TRANSMISSION AND
DISTRIBUTION INFRASTRUCTURE. TO
INCREASING PROGRAM COSTS
PARTICULARLY IN WILDFIRE
MITIGATION ACROSS THEY'RE
STARTING O HIT HOME RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN FINALLY SUCCESSES IN
THE AREAS OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY
AND DISTRIBUTED ENERGY RESOURCES
IT HAVE LED TO DECREASING SALES
BUT ALL OF THESE OTHER COSTS ARE
BEING CONCENTRATED OVER FEWER
AND FEWER ELECTRONS THIS IS A
GREAT SUCCESS BUT IT'S ALSO
SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO
DEAL WITH THEM GOING FORWARD. MY
OFFICE REALLY LOOKS AT
ADDRESSING THESE PROBLEMS
THROUGH FOR FIVE KEY STRATEGIES.
FIRST SCRIPT SCRUTINIZED ALL THE
REQUESTS FOR NEW INFRASTRUCTURE
TO FOCUS ON THE LEAST COST LEAST
REGRETS PATHWAYS. SECOND BEGIN
TO WORK UPSTREAM WITH THE
COMMISSION WITH THE ENERGY
COMMISSION WITH KALISTO SO THE
GREAT IN BILL IMPACTS-
INCORPORATED INTO ENERGY
PLANNING DECISIONS AND PEOPLE
WHO ARE MAKING THESE DECISIONS
HAVE ACCESS TO THAT THAT- TO THE
BEST DATA. THREE ADVOCATE FOR
DEMONSTRATE ALL AND QUANTIFIABLE
BENEFITS FOR ANY PARTICULAR
PROPOSAL AND MAKE SURE THAT
THOSE BENEFITS ACCRUE TO THE
RATEPAYERS. UP FOR ITS WORK TO
REDUCE THE FINANCING COSTS
WHEREVER POSSIBLE AND YOU KNOW
AND REALLY PUT A LOT OF TIME
INTO THIS AND THEN FINALLY
DESIGN RATES AND RAISE THE
IMPACT THAT PROTECT THE MOST
VULNERABLE CUSTOMERS. IN ADVANCE
OUR CLIMATE RELIABILITY AND
SAFETY COLES. ON LAST YEAR OUR
ADVOCACY EFFORTS IN THE AREAS OF
ACCESS AND AFFORDABILITY
INCLUDED- ADVOCACY IN THE
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA EDISON-
200-021-2000 TWENTY THREE RATE
CASE. WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO
REDUCE THE REVENUE REQUIREMENT
BY ALMOST TWO POINT FOUR BILLION
DOLLARS. IN THE AREAS OF WATER
WE ALSO WORKED ON AFFORDABILITY-
FOR ADVOCACY IN RATE CASES
INVOLVING SUBURBAN WATER SYSTEM
IN THE CALIFORNIA AMERICAN
SYSTEM IN OUR EFFORTS HERE HELPS
A CUSTOMER SIXTY MILLION
DOLLARS. AND I SHOULD SAY IN THE
AREA OF WATER WE CONTINUE TO
ADVOCATE FOR. A DEBT FORGIVENESS
PROGRAMS THAT WOULD INCLUDE
WAIVING LATE FEES FOR CUSTOMERS
BEHIND ON PAYING THEIR MONTHLY
BILLS DUE TO DETECT PANDEMIC. I
UNDERSTAND THIS DOESN'T.
JURISDICTION IS NOT IN IT DOES
NOT FOCUS ON COMMUNICATION BUT
JUST AS A SIDE NOTE WE HAVE
SUCCESSFULLY. ADVOCATED TO LOWER
TELEPHONE SERVICE FEES FOR THE
INCARCERATED SO THAT THEY CAN
COMMUNICATE MORE OFTEN MORE
EASILY WITH THEIR FAMILY AND
THEIR LOVED ONES AND THEIR
ATTORNEYS WITHOUT WITHOUT BEING
COUCHED. IN THE AREA OF SAFETY
AND RELIABILITY WE HAVE
SUCCESSFULLY URGED THE
COMMISSION TO ADDRESS NUMEROUS
DEFICIENCIES AND ELECTRIC
UTILITIES TWENTY TWENTY ONES.
WILDLIFE MITIGATION PLAN UPDATES
ON ISSUES RELATED TO
MISMANAGEMENT CONTRACTORS
INACCURACIES IN REST MODELS- AND
FAILURE TO ENSURE THAT ADEQUATE
CONTROL DEVICES ARE FUNCTIONAL.
AND FINALLY- I JUST WANNA AND ON
ADDRESS OUR SOME OF OUR WORK ON
THE STATE'S A CLIMATE POLICY
GOALS. IN HERE WE HAVE PROVIDED
KEY EVIDENCE. RESULTING IN
COMMISSION DECISIONS BUT FOUND
THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA GAS
COMPANY USE REPAIR FUNDS TO
ACTIVELY PURSUE STRATEGIES TO
UNDERMINE IMPROVEMENTS IN ENERGY
EFFICIENCY CODES AND STANDARDS.
WHO WORKED TO DIRECT THE UTILITY
TO REFUND ALL UNAUTHORIZED
EXPENDED FUNDS TO THE RATE
PAYERS AND THE COMMISSION AND TO
DIRECT- SO CAL GAS TO PAY OVER
TEN MILLION DOLLARS IN FINES.
WITH THIS I'D LIKE TO CONCLUDE
BY THANKING YOU ONCE AGAIN FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TO
OFFER MY OFFICE AS A RESOURCE
FOR YOU FOR ANY MATTERS THAT ARE
RELEVANT- AND- WITH THAT AND
PLEASE CONTACT ME DIRECTLY IF
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WANT
TO DISCUSS ANY MATTERS FURTHER.
WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER
QUESTIONS ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU
MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
TO BOTH OF YOU- LAST TIME TO
TURN TO- COMMITTEE MEMBERS YOU
HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. NO
REYES. THANK YOU MISTER CHAIR.
THANK YOU THANK YOU BOTH FOR THE
PRESENTATION SO IT'S ALWAYS GOOD
TO KNOW WHAT WE DID THE YEAR
BEFORE. I KNOW THERE ARE SO MANY
CRITICAL POLICY AREAS THE TO YOU
BOTH HAVE TO DEAL WITH- WHETHER
IT'S TRANSPORTATION
ELECTRIFICATION BROADBAND CLEAN
ENERGY DEPLOYMENT. GRID
MANAGEMENT RATE ACCOUNTABILITY
IT IN SO MANY MORE I WANT TO ASK
. A ONE. OF A FEW QUESTIONS BUT
ONE AREA IS THAT. IN THE INLAND
EMPIRE WE ARE CONSIDERED- WE ARE
. LISTED AS AN URBAN AREA WHEN
IT COMES TO BROADBAND AND- WE
WHEN YOU THINK OF AN URBAN AREA
YOU YOU. ASSUME THAT WE HAVE
RELIABLE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET
AND IT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE SO
WHAT. I DO WANT TO BE SURE THAT
WE REMOTE REMEMBER THAT JUST
BECAUSE AN AREA IS TERMED AN
URBAN AREA DOES NOT MEAN THAT
THEY HAVE THAT RELIABLE AND
AFFORDABLE INTERNET SERVICE AND
WANTED TO PUT THAT- TO YOU.
ANOTHER REALLY IMPORTANT- AREA
HAS TO DO WITH AFFORDABILITY AND
THAT WAS DISCUSSED BY BOTH OF
YOU- I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM MANY
OF MY CONSTITUENTS. BUT NOT JUST
RESIDENTIAL BUT ALSO COMMERCIAL
INDUSTRIAL ABOUT THE RATE
INCREASES WHICH ARE OUTPACING
INFLATION. AND WANTED TO ASK
SPECIFICALLY WHAT IS BEING DONE
TO ADDRESS THIS AND WHAT THE
LEGISLATURE CAN DO SPECIFICALLY
IN THIS REGARD. I'M HAPPY TO
RESPOND ASSEMBLY MEMBER- I DID A
FEW THINGS THAT THE COMMISSION
IS DOING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE I
DISCUSSED A FEW OF THE DRIVERS
OF THE RATE INCREASE SINCE-
WHICH ARE VERY CONCERNING AS YOU
NOTE- IN MY OPENING STATEMENT
BUT I ALSO WANTED TO ADD THAT
THAT YOU KNOW JUST TO THINK
THROUGH SOME OF THE ACTIONS THAT
WE CAN TAKE- OF COURSE THE
COMMISSION CAREFULLY REVIEWS
EXPENDITURES OF ALL OF THE
INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES TO MAKE
SURE THAT COUNTING IS ACCURATE
TO MAKE SURE THE EXPENSES ARE
JUSTIFIED- WE HAVE PROCEEDINGS
TO ANALYZE THESE EXPENDITURES
AND MISTER BAKER TALKED ABOUT-
THE PUBLIC ADVOCATES ROLE IN-
MAKING SURE THAT WERE LOOKED AT
THESE COSTS ARE REASONABLE- AND
IF THEY CAN BE REDUCED TO THAT
THE COMMISSION EVALUATES
EVIDENCE. TO TRY TO MAKE SURE
THAT THEY'RE THE EXPENSES ARE
CONSTRAINED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE-
RECENTLY- AFTER THAT CODEPENDENT
NECK RIBBED OR DURING THE
COMPANY HAD TO MAKE WE
EXPERIENCED A GREAT GREATER
AMOUNT OF- CUSTOMER EARLIER JUST
SO UNPAID BILLS I'M COMING OUT
OF THE PANDEMIC NOW WE'RE FACED
WITH- A SITUATION WHERE A
MORATORIUM ON IT DISCONNECTION-
WILL SOON BE LIFTED- AND BUT
WE'LL TILL HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF
DEBT THAT REMAINS- NORMALLY THE
ENTIRETY OF THAT DAD IF IT'S
UNCOLLECTIBLE WOULD BE PASSED
THROUGH TO OTHER REPAIRS DIVIDED
UP AND PASSED THROUGH ON UTILITY
BILLS- THE LEGISLATURE AS THE
CHAIRMAN CHEN IN HIS OPENING
STATEMENT- DID PROVIDE THROUGH
THE BUDGET- ONE BILLION DOLLARS-
FOR THE ENERGY SECTOR FOR ENERGY
BILLS TO CREDIT THOSE. CUSTOMERS
WHO HAVE FALLEN BEHIND ON THEIR
BILLS- THAT AMOUNT WAS NOT
SUFFICIENT TO COVER THE ENTIRETY
OF THE DEBT BUT IT WAS VERY
HELPFUL IN MITIGATING BOTH
PROVIDING RELIEF TO THE
INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMERS WHO'VE BEEN
UNABLE TO PAY THEIR BILLS BUT
ALSO MITIGATING THE FURTHER
EXPENSE TO ADDITIONAL RATE
PAYERS. WHO WOULD HAVE HAD TO-
TO COVER THE- THAT AMOUNT OF LOS
REVENUE. I'M IN ADDITION THE
COMMISSION HAS AN ONGOING
PROCEEDING ON THE IRISH ISSUE
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON PAYMENT
PLANS- TO HELP GET THESE
CUSTOMERS- BACK INTO- IT AND A
STEP AS A FULL STATUS AS A
PAYMENT OF THEIR BILLS. AND
WE'RE LOOKING AT PILOTS FOR
FURTHER ASSISTANCE FOR THOSE
CUSTOMERS- THE OTHER THING WE
NEED TO DO GOING FORWARD- IS
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INCLUDING
COST EFFECTIVENESS AND
COMPETITION AMONG GENERATORS FOR
THE POWER THAT'S NEEDED TO GET
CLEAN ENERGY AGAIN MISTER BAKER
REFERRED TO THIS IN HIS OPENING
STATEMENT. AS WE DO THE WORK
THAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET TO
OUR- CLEAN ENERGY GOALS WE NEED
TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE COST
EFFECTIVELY AND MAKE EFFORT
EFFORT EFFORT TO KEEP EXPENSES
DOWN. I'M FOR ME I THE ISSUE IS
A LITTLE BIT OF A ZERO SUM GAME
THAT TO SOME EXTENT- WE ONLY
HAVE ONE SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR-
TO PAY FOR ALL OF THE EXPENSES
OF PROVIDING ELECTRICAL SERVICE
AND THAT'S THE RATE PAYERS WE
CAN MAKE DECISIONS THAT HELP A
DECREASE- THE ENTIRE AMOUNT OF
EXPENSES THAT NEED TO BE PAID-
AND MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT
ALLOCATION AMONG RATE PAYERS-
AND SO WE TRY TO DO THAT VERY
CAREFULLY WITH AN EYE TOWARDS
ALL RATE PAYERS YOU MENTIONED
INDUSTRIAL RATE PAYERS- AS WELL
AS A RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL
REPAIRS. SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO
DO THAT WORK- TO THE EXTENT THAT
WE CAN SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE
SOME ELEMENTS- THAT WE LOOK AT
AS THE COMMISSION AND ALSO AN
EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT THE
LEGISLATURE HAS DONE IN THE PAST
WHICH WAS VERY HELPFUL FOR
AFFORDABILITY. IF I MAY MISTER
CHAIR. THE BIGGEST CONCERN
HOWEVER IS THAT IN THERE WAS
THAT IN THE ARTICLE IN THE SAN
DIEGO UNION TRIBUNE. THE TALKED
ABOUT THE RATE OF THE ACTIVITY
INCREASE COMPARED TO INFLATION.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF WE'RE
IF WE ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN IT
WILL HAPPEN WHAT IS IT THAT CAN
BE DONE TO ENSURE THAT THE RATE
INCREASE. DOES NOT SUPERSEDE THE
RATE OF INFLATION. IS THERE
SOMETHING SPECIFIC THAT CAN BE
DONE. SO I'M I'M TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT HOW TO ANSWER THAT
QUESTION CERTAINLY WERE OPEN TO
SUGGESTIONS ON THAT FROM THE
LEGISLATURE- WHAT WE DO IS TRY
TO MINIMIZE EXPENSES TO THE
EXTENT POSSIBLE WE DON'T
NECESSARILY TRACK THE RATE OF
INFLATION OUR OUR OUR UTILITIES-
RECOVER THEIR COSTS OF SERVICES
TO RATES AND SO WE MAKE EFFORTS
TO TRY TO SPREAD THIS OUT OVER
TIME THERE ARE MECHANISMS LIKE
SECURITISATION SO WE CAN LESSEN
THE IMPACT OF A GREAT SHOCK- WE
ALSO HAVE BEEN SEEING INCREASES-
IN THE COST OF FUELS NATURAL GAS
IN PARTICULAR- AND THOSE HAVE
BEEN RECENT EVENTS BECAUSE OF
RECENT EVENTS HAVE IN HAVE-
IMPACTED. RATE- RATES- BUT AGAIN
YOU KNOW EVEN LESS IT YOU KNOW
POTENTIALLY SOME OTHER SOURCE OF
INCOME BUT WE SO WE MAKE EFFORTS
TO TRY TO. SMOOTH OUT THE CURVE
AND TRY TO LESSEN THE AMOUNT OF
EXPENSES OVER ALL. IT IN DEFINED
MAY IN THE ARTICLE IT DID MAYBE
IT WAS ANOTHER ARTICLE. ABOUT
TALKED ABOUT THE RATE OF RETURN-
THE RETURN OR PROFIT. OF THE
INVESTORS AT 10% GUARANTEED AND
PERHAPS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT
CAN BE LOOKED AT- IF I MAY
THROUGH THE CHAIR- ANOTHER IF
IMPORTANT AREA. IS IT CALIFORNIA
IS THE HOUSE BAND IN SHOULD BE A
LEADER IN SAFE AV TECHNOLOGY AND
WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING THAT WE
CAN TO ENCOURAGE ITS DEVELOPMENT
HERE I AM AWARE OF SOME
COMPANIES WHO HAVE APPLIED FOR
THEIR DRIVERLESS DEPLOYMENT
PERMIT IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR
I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY
DECISIONS HOW SOON CAN THESE
COMPANIES EXPECT A DECISION ON
THEIR APPLICATIONS. ASSEMBLY
MEMBER I'D BE HAPPY TO GET BACK
WITH YOU A TO YOU ON THAT- I A
M. I DON'T KNOW THE SCHEDULE FOR
THAT PRECEDING- BUT NORMALLY WE-
HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE WE
ACCEPT COMMENTS- WE TAKE WE
GATHER EVIDENCE- AND WE GO
THROUGH A PROCESS THAT ALLOWS
THE PUBLIC. TO PARTICIPATE- I
KNOW THAT SOMETIMES A DIFFICULT
FOR APPLICANTS- IT BUT I LET ME
TURN NOW TO OUR EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR RACHEL PETERSON WHO CAN
GIVE YOU SOME MORE SPECIFICS AND
IF WE NEED TO FOLLOW UP WE
CERTAINLY WILL DO THAT. THANK
YOU. PRESIDENT REYNOLDS AND
OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE
THANK YOU VERY MUCH GOOD
AFTERNOON MY NAME IS RACHEL
PETERSON I'M THE EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE CALIFORNIA
PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION
FIRST I AM PLEASED TO REPORT
THAT WE DID ISSUE TO. IT'S
EARLIER THIS WEEK THOSE ARE- FOR
THE RAIBERT DEPLOYMENT IN
AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES I'M TRYING
TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH MY
LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT IS A
SOMEWHAT COMPLEX AREA OF- OUR
PASSENGER TRANSPORTATION
OVERSIGHT. I AND SO WE ISSUE TWO
PERMITS UNDER WHICH NOW CRUISE
AND WAYMO. MATE CHARGE AFFAIRS
FOR PEOPLE WHO LIKE. TO-
OBTAINED BY IN AUTONOMOUS
VEHICLES STILL HAVE A SEAT
PRIVATE AT THE- SO THAT'S ONE
STEP FURTHER FOR THOSE TWO
COMPANIES TOWARDS EVENTUAL
DRIVER LESS DEPLOYMENT NOW
ASSEMBLY MEMBER I BELIEVE YOU'RE
REFERRING TO ONE OF REMAINING
APPLICATION THAT WE HAVE IN FROM
CREWS AS WELL. FOR DRIVERLESS
DEPLOYMENT WHICH WOULD BE FULLY
DRIVERLESS AS THE NAME IMPLIES-
THEY'VE SUBMITTED WHAT WE CALL
AN ADVICE LETTER THAT'S A
PROPOSAL BY AND- MORE INFORMAL
STAFF ACTION TO OBTAIN SUCH A
PERMITS. WE DO HAVE A PROCESS BY
WHICH OTHER STAKEHOLDERS CAN
PROTEST THOSE ADVICE LETTERS AND
WE IN FACT HAVE RECEIVED- A FAIR
NUMBER OF PROTESTS AND WHAT THAT
MEANS IS THAT OUR STAFF NEED TO
PERFORM A FAIR AMOUNT OF DUE
DILIGENCE IN ORDER TO
UNDERSTAND. WHAT THE PROTESTS
ARE. WE SAW ANY THAT WERE ABLE
TO RESOLVE AND THEN MOVE
TOWARDS- CONSIDERATION OF
ISSUING THE PERMIT AND SO ALL OF
THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN
IS UNDER CONSIDERATION I CAN'T
GIVE YOU A PRECISE TIMELINE
BECAUSE THERE WERE A GOOD NUMBER
OF PROTESTS. BUT IT IS
UNDERSTAFFED- CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE UPDATE
IF I MAY MISTER CHAIR PLEASE.
REGARDING THE INTERVENOR
COMPENSATION PROGRAM AGAIN MY
OFFICE HAS RECEIVED A NUMBER OF. COMMENTS TO CONCERNS ABOUT THE
SERIOUS BACKLOG IN THE CQC'S-
THE DRESSING OF THIS SOME OF THE
RETURN REQUESTED I'VE LOOKED AT
THE LIST DATE BACK TO BEFORE THE
PANDEMIC AND MANY OF THESE
ORGANIZATIONS ARE ADVOCATES FOR
SOCIAL ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE
DISABILITY RIGHTS CONSUMER
PROTECTIONS CLEAN ENERGY. AND
TRUTHIS I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED
ABOUT THIS BACKLOG I'M I'M
CONCERNED THAT IT MAY DE
INCENTIVIZE THESE ORGANIZATIONS
FROM DOING THE GOOD WORK THAT
THEY'VE BEEN DOING. I FIRST WHY
IS IT TO WHY IS THIS BACKLOG SO
LARGE OUT WHAT RESOURCES TO THE
SEAT CQC NEED. IN ORDER TO
REDUCE THE BACKLOG- AND HOW HAS
THE BACKLOG IMPACTED SOME OF OUR
- SOME OF OUR INTERVENORS. THANK
YOU FOR THAT QUESTION- WE ARE IT
INTERVENOR COMPENSATION
APPLICATIONS ARE PROCESSED
HANDLED BY OUR ADMINISTRATIVE
LAW JUDGE DIVISION- I HAVE SEEN
AN UPTICK IN REQUESTS AND
THEY'VE BEEN- TRYING TO AS A
MAKE UP FOR THAT UPTICK WITHOUT
ADDITIONAL RESOURCES- SO THEY'RE
PROCESSING APPLICATIONS AS
QUICKLY AS THEY CAN- THEY WERE
ALREADY. I THEY HAD ALREADY
ALLOCATED- FULL STAFFING THAT
THEY HAD AVAILABLE TO COVER
APPLICATIONS- AT THE AT THE
REGULAR RATE AND THEN THEY DID
SEE THIS UPTICK TECH WHICH-
THEY'VE BEEN WORKING VERY VERY
HARD TO COVER- DURING NORMAL
RATE AND THEN MAKE UP FOR THAT
LOG THAT- HAS BEEN CREATED- I
DON'T THINK THAT I AND YOU KNOW
GIVEN THIS THIS UP TECH- WE'RE
ACTUALLY WE'RE NOT SEEING A DROP
OFF IN PARTICIPATION OUR
REQUESTS- DUE TO THE BACKLOG BUT
I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE LIGHT OF
IT I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A
REAL CONCERN. FOR THESE
ORGANIZATIONS AND WE VERY MUCH
VALUE THEIR INPUT AND COMMISSION
PROCEEDINGS- IT AND THE SENATE
THAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LAW
JUDGE DIVISION IS CONTINUING TO
WORK ON CATCHING UP I HAVE BEEN
PRIORITIZING REVIEW OF ANY
APPLICATIONS IN MY OFFICE AND
ALSO WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH
OUR CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE LAW
JUDGE WHO'S VERY FOCUSED ON.
THIS ISSUE AND TAKES IT VERY
SERIOUSLY. THANK YOU IT I WAS AT
OF THE LISTEN THE STATE BACK TO
FEBRUARY OF TWENTY NINETEEN. SO
WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT QUITE A
PERIOD OF TIME AND I THINK THE
THESE ORGANIZATIONS AS I
MENTIONED EARLIER IT AYE I DON'T
THINK THEY'RE IN A POSITION TO
BE- ANYWAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
DRESSING THAT. IN MY FINAL
QUESTION IF I MAY. I HAS TO DO
WITH IT RECENTLY WE MET WITH
HAVE HAD A HEARING. ON THE
MIDDLE MILE INITIATIVE- THEY
THEY DID MENTION THAT THE FIRST
EIGHTEEN PROJECTS. HAD ALREADY
BEEN APPROVED THE COST WAS
APPROXIMATELY THREE HUNDRED
MILLION. UNDER SB ONE FIFTY SIX.
THAT ESTABLISHED THIS. THERE IS
THERE WAS ROUGHLY TWO POINT NINE
BILLION DOLLARS- THAT HAVE BEEN
SET ASIDE FOR THESE PROJECTS.
AND EIGHTEEN OF COURSE IS JUST
THE BEGINNING. WHEN DOES THE
COMMISSION PLAN ON UPDATING THE
LOCATIONS OF THESE PROJECTS. AND
WHAT METRICS WILL BE USED FOR
THE CONSIDERATION OF THE NEW
LOCATIONS. HOW SOON CAN WE
EXPECT THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE THAT THE FUNDS ARE INCOME
BIRD. PROPERLY AND TIMELY. SURE
I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT
BRIEFLY AND- I ALSO HAPPY TO
FOLLOW UP ON ANY BROADBAND
ISSUES- INCLUDING THIS ONE- IN
MORE DETAIL THE COMMISSION DID
RELEASE. INFORMATION ON
LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE-
AT THE END OF TWENTY TWENTY ONE
SAID THAT MAPPING INFORMATION IS
AVAILABLE- THE CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF TECHNOLOGY IS
TAKING THAT INFORMATION INTO
ACCOUNTAND WORKING WITH THE-
THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR. WHO'S
DESIGNING THE- AT THE NETWORK-
THE SPECIFICS OF THE NETWORK AND
WILL BE COMPLYING WITH THE
REQUIREMENTS AND SB ONE FIFTY
SIX TO PRESENT A REPORT ON
PROGRESS IN MARCH- SO THAT
PROCESSES IS UNDERGOING BUT THE
COMMISSION HAS COMPLETED IT'S-
IDENTIFICATION OF LOCATIONS FOR
THE ENTIRE MIDDLE MILE SYSTEM AS
WELL AS- COMMENTS RECEIVED FROM
THE PUBLIC WHICH HAVE ALSO BEEN
INDICATED ON THE MAPS THAT ARE
AVAILABLE ON THE COMMISSION'S
WEBSITE. AM I UNDERSTANDING
CORRECTLY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY
IDENTIFIED ALL OF THEM ALL OF
THE SITES. SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED
LOCATIONS NOT THE PARTICULAR
PROJECT AND NOT THE PARTICULAR
DESIGN OF THE SYSTEM BUT WE'VE
IENTIFIED LOCATIONS ACCORDING
TO- THOSE AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE
SERVICE AT SPECIFIC LEVELS.
THANK YOU THAT REPORT IS DUE
THIS MONTH. CORRECT I BELIEVE SO
DEPARTMENT OF TECHNOLOGY HAS A
REQUIREMENT IN THE STATUTE I
BELIEVE IT'S IN MARCH IT YEAH
BUT THIS YEAR. THANK YOU SO MUCH
THANK YOU SIR MEMBER OF MASS OF
MISTER MURATSUCHI IT'S A
QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MR CHAIRMAN
. THIS RONALD SO. YOU INDICATOR
EARLIER THAT- CALIFORNIANS ARE
TO EXPECTED 10220% RATE INCREASE
THIS YEAR THE CORRECT. I BELIEVE
THAT'S AN AVERAGE- THAT WILL
THAT WILL BE SEEN THIS YEAR. AND
WE I'M HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH
SPECIFICS ON RATE INCREASES
THERE ARE THERE ARE SEVERAL-
INCREASES THAT ARE GOING INTO A
FACT AND IF YOU'D LIKE US TO
DRILL DOWN ON THOSE NUMBERS AND
GIVE YOU INFORMATION ABOUT
WHAT'S GING TO HAPPEN WHEN
WE'RE HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH
THAT INFORMATION. IS THERE A
GENERAL PATTERN THAT WE CAN
EXPECT IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW
WHETHER THE- PEACHY NEEDS COULD
BE LEADING THE PACK- YOU KNOW-
IS THERE RELATIVE- RANK ORDER IN
TERMS OF WHICH- I- USE ARE
EXPECTED TO HAVE THE HIGHEST
RATE INCREASES. I'M THEY'RE ALL
INCREASING- AND THERE ARE
DIFFERENCES- RATE INCREASES THAT
ARE GOING INTO EFFECT AT
DIFFERENT TIMES DEPENDING ON
WHEN THEIR- THEIR GENERAL RATE
CASE INCREASES- THIS GET THE
CYCLE OF THOSE AS WELL AS THE
FILINGS OF TROOPS THAT HAPPEN AT
THE END OF THE YEAR SO THERE ARE
DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT GO INTO
EFFECT AT DIFFERENT TIMES SO
IT'S HARD TO GIVE YOU A YOU
KNOW- ONE IS WORSE THAN THE
OTHER I WILL SAY THAT HE JEANNIE
DOES HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT
OF WILDFIRE MITIGATION EXPENSES-
AND THOSE ARE ARE ARE MAKING
THEIR WAY INTO RATES THROUGH
BOTH THE GENERAL RATE CASE- AS
WELL AS ADDITIONAL- EXPENDITURES
THAT THEY'RE DOING AS AS THEY
REALLY DO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT
OF WORK FOR- TO HARDEN THEIR
SAFETY. TO THEIR SYSTEM AND TO
DO VEGETATION MANAGEMENT ON AN
ONGOING BASIS- SO IT WITH ON
THAT ELEMENT- PG&E DOES HAVE A
LARGE INCREASE. SO I IF I HEARD
YOU RIGHT TO YOU IDENTIFIED TO.
SEVERAL DRIVERS- FOR THIS RATE
INCREASE. AND I HEARD YOU-
IDENTIFY THE FIRST THE SEVEN
POINT FIVE PERCENT- INFLATION
SPIKE- PARTICULARLY IN NATURAL
GAS- WILDFIRE MITIGATION COSTS
AND NEW CLEAN ENERGY PROJECTS
CAN YOU GIVE LIKE A- YOU KNOW-
BALLPARK- PERCENTAGES IN TERMS
OF- WOULD YOU KNOW DID TO WHAT
EXTENT EACH ONE OF THOSE THREE
FACTORS CONTRIBUTE OUR OUR- OUR
OUR OUR DRIVING. THE TEND TO PUT
THE 20% AVERAGE RATE INCREASE
THAT WERE CALIFORNIANS SHOULD BE
EXPECTING THIS YEAR. I DON'T
HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT MY
FINGERTIPS I CAN- TURN TO MY
STOP IN A MOMENT BUT I WILL SAY
THAT IT VARIES AND- WE'VE SEEN
IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS WE'VE
SEEN PEOPLE COST- INCREASE IN
THE PERCENTAGE BECAUSE OF SPIKES
IN NATURAL GAS. SO THOSE-
NATURAL GAS PRICES HAVE GONE
INTO RATES- AND MORE SIGNIFICANT
AMOUNT THAN THEY HAVE IN THE
PAST- THAT LET ME TURN TO- IF
BEIJING PETERSON AND SEE IF SHE
OR OTHER STAFF MEMBERS. HAVE
MORE INFORMATION TO ADD TO THAT
. I THANK YOU FOR THE RENTALS
ACTUALLY I'LL TURN TO SIGN IN
BAKER WHO IS- OUR RESIDENT
EXPERT ON RATES AND WHAT IS
HAPPENING WITH OUR RATE INCREASE
IS GOING ON. THANK YOU. BUT
AFTERNOON MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE YES- AS PRESIDENT
REYNOLDS WAS SAYING EARLIER. ONE
OF THE BIG DRIVERS OF RATE
INCREASES HAS BEEN THE INCREASE
IN NATURAL GAS PRICES RECENTLY-
SO- THERE'S A AYE PROCUREMENT
CHARGE ON THAT FRONT NATURAL GAS
BILLS WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR
BASICALLY BE. A COMMODITY COSTS
THAT NATURAL GAS AND WHAT WHAT
WE SAW WAS THAT THE PROCUREMENT
CHART ON BILLS WENT UP ON
AVERAGE FROM SEVENTY TO EIGHTY
PERCENT. BOB THIS PAST. DECEMBER
COMPARED TO LAST YEAR AND AS WAS
MENTIONED EARLIER THIS IS. DUE
TO LARGE- CHANGES AND IN THE
GLOBAL AND A SLIGHT SUPPLY
DEMAND BALANCE- WE'RE SEEING
ECONOMIC RECOVERY POST PANDEMIC
AND DOT DECARBONIZATION
POLICIES- THAT ARE- TAKING
PEOPLE- JURISDICTIONS AWAY FROM
COAL. WE ALSO HAD A- POLITICAL
VORTEX COLD SNAP THAT OCCURRED
AND THAT CAUSED SOME FREEZE OFF
OF GAS PRODUCTION FACILITIES AND
WE'VE ALSO HAD TO AN INTERSTATE
PIPELINE OUTAGE ON THE EL PASO
SYSTEM THAT HAS CONTRIBUTED TO
SOME- SOME. CONSTRAINTS ON THE
DELIVERY SYSTEM- IN SOCAL GAS
AND SAN DIEGO GAS AND ELECTRIC.
SO THESE ARE THESE PRICE EFFECTS
ON THE GAS SYSTEM- ARE ARE
SHOWING UP- ON ON GAS BILLS BUT
THEN THEY'RE ALSO FLOWING
THROUGH INTO ELECTRIC BILLS AS
WELL- SO THERE'S A FEW ONE PER
POWER A PURCHASE POWER CHARGE.
THAT'S A AN ELEMENT OF RATES.
AND- BIG OF KIND I IN THE SYSTEM
. WE ARE SEEING THAT THE IF YOU
WANT FOR PURCHASED POWER CHARGE
THAT'S CALLED ERA- HAS GONE OUT
PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY SO- JUST TO
GIVE AN EXAMPLE FOR- FOR
BUNDLED- PG&E CUSTOMERS- SENATE
REYNOLDS WAS WAS MENTIONING THAT
WERE YOU KNOW WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE
SEEING RATE INCREASES. ACROSS
THE UTILITIES ON AVERAGE IF
ATTENDED 20% SOAP FOR PG&E-
THERE WAS A- AN EIGHT POINT 1%
INCREASE IN. ON JANUARY ONE
BILLS AND THEN- AFFECTED MARCH
FIRST- THERE'S GOING TO BE
ANOTHER 11% INCREASE THAT 11%
INCREASE IS BECAUSE OF THIS ERA-
FORECAST. DIFFERENCE BECAUSE OF
THE INCREASED COST OF NATURAL
GAS AND OTHER ELEMENTS THAT ARE
CONTRIBUTING IN THERE ARE-
INCREASING COSTS ON IN TERMS OF
THE- ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THINGS.
AND SO THESE ARE- TRANSMISSION
INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS THAT ARE
FLOWING INTO RATES ON ON THE
FIRST SIDE THAT'S ABOUT A 1%
INCREASE THERE THAT'S PART OF
THAT- AND THEN FOR SOME OF THE
OTHER UTILITIES WERE ALSO SEEN
SOME ODDS AND INCREASES IN RATES
DUE TO G. R. C. EXPENDITURES.
FOR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE
AND WILDFIRE RESILIENCY AND
ALIKE I HOPE THAT WAS HELPFUL.
ACTUALLY THAT WAS AND IF I CAN
FOLLOW UP WITH YOU SIR I DIDN'T
GET YOUR NAME BUT TO CAN YOU CAN
YOU GIVE LIKE BALLPARK ESTIMATES
LIKE- YOU KNOW WHAT TO WHAT
EXTENT IS OUR- OR THE NATURAL
GAS PRICE INCREASE IS. GOING TO
BE DRIVING THE THAT TEN TO
TWENTY PERCENT. AVERAGE RATE
INCREASES. 70% JUST LISTEN JUST
LOOKING AT THAT THE P. JEANNIE
BILL COMPONENT RIGHT SO- IT'S
ROUGHLY HALF OF THE INCREASES
THAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW OKAY
SO ROUGHLY HALF AN AND WHAT
ABOUT TO THE OTHER TWO DRIVERS
THAT TO A CHAIR REYNOLDS
IDENTIFIED THE WILDFIRE
MITIGATION IN THE NEW CLEAN
ENERGY PROJECTS- I DON'T HAVE A
DATA BREAK DOWN ON THOSE AT MY
FINGER TIPS FOR YOU RIGHT NOW
BUT WE CAN FOLLOW UP. OKAY BUT
NATURAL GAS INFLATION SPIKE IS
THE LARGEST DRIVER OF. THE RATE
INCREASE. YES SIR OKAY. AND IS
IT IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT TO.
THAT THE FASTER WE RAMP UP OUR
OUR CLEAN RENEWABLE ENERGY
PROJECTS THE LESS RELIANCE WE
HAVE ON NATURAL GAS. YES THAT'S
RIGHT- AND THAT'S THE PROJECT
THAT WE'RE WORKING ON
AGGRESSIVELY AT AND IT WILL TAKE
SOME TIME HOWEVER FOR US TO- YOU
KNOW BE ABLE TO ELECTRIFY- AND
USES IT SUCH AS STATING SPACE
HEATING AND- AND WATER HEATING-
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING OF A VERY
FOCUSED. OKAY SO IT'S A BAD TERM
IF I MAY. SHARE I I'D LIKE TO
TRANSFER TO SOMETHING A- AN
ISSUE THAT I'VE BEEN RAISING FOR
A NUMBER OF YEARS AND THAT'S A
CLOSER TO HOME AND MY DISTRICT
BUT IT ILLUSTRATES A- THIS-
ISSUE OF OUR RELIANCE ON ON ON
NATURAL GAS ENERGY- THE REDONDO
BEACH ONCE THROUGH COOLING-
NATURAL GAS POWER PLANT- CHAIR
REYNOLDS- INDICATED EARLIER THAT
TO. THAT SAID THE PC IS
COMMITTED TO. MOVING FORWARD ON
. ACHIEVING OUR CLEAN ENERGY
GOALS AND NOT STALLING ARE
BACKTRACKING BUT I CAN SAY THAT
IN THAT THE REDONDO BEACH POWER
PLANT IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF
HOW WE HAVE BEEN STALLING- THE
PLAN TO PHASE OUT THE ONCE
THROUGH COOLING PLANTS WAS
ADOPTED IN TWENTY TEN. THE P.
YOU SEE THE C. C. AND CUT SO
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PLAN FOR THE
CLOSURE OF THE POWER PLANTS BY
TWENTY TWENTY. THAT WAS EXTENDED
TO TWENTY TWENTY ONE. AND THEN
IT WAS EXTENDED TO TWENTY TWENTY
TWO- RECENTLY I HAD A MEETING
WITH THE ENERGY COMMISSION. ARE
INDICATING THAT THERE ARE- IS
WAIT WITH THE PROCUREMENT OF THE
CLEAN ENERGY THAT- CHAIR
REYNOLDS- IDENTIFIED EARLIER.
THAT- AT LEAST AS FAR AS ENERGY
COMMISSION IS CONCERNED THEY
THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD
BE ENOUGH CLEAN ENERGY COMING
ONLINE TO- TO- YOU NOT REQUIRE
ANY FURTHER EXTENSIONS OF THESE
OTC POWER PLANTS. DOES THE PC
CONCUR. YES AND I DID THIS IS
WITH RESPECT TO THE AND THE
ENERGY PROCUREMENT THAT WE
ORDERED- AS A RESULT OF THE
RECENT PROCEEDINGS THAT I
MENTIONED IN MY OPENING
STATEMENT WE ARE PLANNING FOR
THESE FACILITIES TO GO OFFLINE-
THAT ONCE THE COOLING
FACILITIES- AND HAVE ORDERED
PROCUREMENT OF SUFFICIENT
RESOURCES TO REPLACE THEM. WE'RE
ALSO WORKING VERY HARD TO MAKE
SURE THAT THE REPLACEMENT
RESOURCES THE NEW CLEAN ENERGY
RESOURCES IN PARTICULAR BATTERY
STORAGE PROJECTS- ARE BUILT GET
ONLINE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE-
THAT EFFORT IS A YOU KNOW IT'S
NEW AND WITHIN OUR ENERGY
DIVISION ALMOST AN ALL HANDS ON
DECK WE'VE BEEN WORKINGTOGETHER
WITH OTHER AGENCIES- TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE ANTICIPATE AND
REMOVE ANY BARRIERS- THAT SAID
WE'VE EXPERIENCED THINGS LIKE
THE SUPPLY CHAIN CHAIN ISSUES
WHICH HAS HAVE BEEN IMPACTING-
MANY PARTS OF OUR ECONOMY-
DESPITE THOSE CHALLENGES WE'VE
BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD. TO
MAKE SURE THAT- NEW RESOURCES
ARE ONLINE AND IN FACT IN THE
PAST I THINK THREE YEARS WE'VE
SEEN BATTERY STORAGE PROJECTS GO
FROM- VERY SMALL JUST HUNDREDS
OF MEGAWATTS ON TO IN TWENTY
EIGHT BY THE END OF TWENTY
TWENTY TWO WE EXPECT TO HAVE
OVER FOUR THOUSAND MEGAWATTS OF
BATTERY STORAGE SO THERE'S LOTS
OF ACTIVITY- ALL VERY TARGETED
TOWARDS JUST WHAT YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT- BEING ABLE TO BE READY
FOR THE CLOSURE OF THAT ONCE
THREE FAT- COOLING FACILITIES-
IN ADDITION TO THE GAS RESOURCES
THAT WE DO STILL HAVE ONLINE IN
CALIFORNIA ARE. A RUNNING LESS
AND LESS EVERY YEAR- SO WE'RE
WE'RE WE STILL HAVE THEM- BUT WE
AREN'T USING THEM AS MUCH AND SO
WE'RE BOTH TRYING TO REDUCE
GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS OF
CONSTANTLY. GET TO REDUCE OUR
OUR OUR FOSSIL FUEL EMISSIONS-
WHILE ALSO RETAIN- RELIABILITY
OF THAT IS SO. AND MAKING SURE
THAT WE'RE PREPARED FOR THE
UNEXPECTED EVENTS LIKE WE'VE
SEEN FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS. ALL
RIGHT THANK YOU. LAST BUT NOT
LEAST- WILDFIRE MITIGATION- YOU
TALKED ABOUT- HOW THIS IS ONE OF
THE- CAUGHT A COST DRIVERS FOR
THE- UTILITY RATE INCREASES THAT
CALIFORNIANS WOULD BE EXPECTING
TO PAY. BUT THE IMMEDIATE CAN
YOU GIVE AN OVERALL ASSESSMENT
AS TO HOW OUR UTILITIES ARE
DOING IN TERMS OF WILDFIRE
MITIGATION. ARE ARE ARE THEY ARE
THEY KEEPING PACE WITH CLIMATE
CHANGE WITH WITH ALL THE- THE
DROUGHT AND CLIMATE IMPACTS THE
WORSENING CONDITIONS OF- OUR OF
OUR OUR OUR FORESTS- WHAT WHAT
IS THE PC'S ASSESSMENT IN TERMS
OF THE PROGRESS OF OUR UTILITIES
IN TERMS A WATER MEDICATION- I
WILL SAY THAT. THE LEGISLATURE
VERY WISELY ADDED- DIAMOND
DYNAMIC CLIMATE CHANGE
CONDITIONS- AND- AB TEN FIFTY
FOUR AS A CONSIDERATION FOR-
UTILITY WILDFIRE MITIGATION
PLANS AND SO THE ABILITY IS AND
BECAUSE OF THAT LEGISLATION ARE
ARE REQUIRED TO REPORT ON HOW
WELL HOW WELL PREPARED THEY ARE
AND PRESENT THAT INFORMATION
ANALYZED. VERY CAREFULLY BY THE
OFFICE OF ENERGY- INFRASTRUCTURE
SAFETY- SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT
THAT OFFICE TRACKS AND MONITORS
COMPLIANCE AND COULD GIVE YOU AN
AND AN UP TO DATE EVALUATION OR
ASSESSMENT ON- THAT THE
FRIENDLINESS OF ALL OF THE
UTILITIES. FOR IN OUR FROM OUR
POSITION WE HAVE SEEN THE
EXPENDITURES AND WE KNOW THAT
THERE IS A LOT OF ACTIVITY AND
WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE OFFICE
BUT I THINK THAT THE- THE ANSWER
TO THAT QUESTION IS- MORE
APPROPRIATE FOR THE OFFICE. OF
ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE SAFETY.
ALL RIGHT THANK A TEACHER THANK
YOU SIR MEMBER WE SUPPORT FROM
MEMBERS. WELL BY THIS OLD. THANK
YOU MISTER CHAIR IS THIS. YES I
THANK YOU PRESIDENT REYNOLDS
FOR- GETTING TO KNOW YOU AND
YOUR NEW POSITION AT THE P. YOU
SEE WELCOME I WANT TO TAKE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF GO BACK
IN TIME JUST A LITTLE BIT OF
HISTORY AND- GET SOME DIRECTION
FROM YOU I'M SPECIFIC
SPECIFICALLY GOING TO BE
SPEAKING ON ON THE- YOU SEE
REPORT UTILITY UTILITY COSTS AND
AFFORDABILITY ON THE GRID OF THE
FUTURE RELEASED IN MAY OF LAST
YEAR OF TWENTY TWENTY ONE- AND
THROUGH AN INDEPENDENT RESEARCH
FIRM BURDEN ASSOCIATES AN
EVALUATION STUDY OF THE COSTS
AND BENEFITS. OF NAM TWO POINT
NO- CONCLUDED SEVERAL THINGS
THAT I'M GOING TO IF IT'S OKAY
WITH YOU MISTER CHAIR JUST READ
A FEW THINGS FROM THE REPORT
ITSELF ON PAGE THIRTY QUOTE THE
EVALUATION STUDY FOUND THAT AS
COMPARED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC
CALIFORNIA POPULATION NUMBER
CUSTOMERS ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY
OLDER LOCATED IN HIGH INCOME
AREAS LIKELY TO OWN THEIR OWN
HOME. AND LESS LIKELY TO LIVE IN
A DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITY
CONSEQUENTLY THE COST OF NAM
ARTIST THE COST OF THEM ARE
DISPROPORTIONATELY PAID BY
YOUNGER LESS WEALTHY AND MORE
DISADVANTAGE RATE PAYERS MANY OF
WHOM ARE RENTERS TO ADDRESS
THESE CONCERNS THE CPUC IS
CONSIDERING MODIFYING THE
STRUCTURE OF- NAME TWO POINT NO.
TO ACHIEVE CALIFORNIA SOCIAL
ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS FOR
DISTRIBUTE THIS DISTRIBUTED
RENEWABLE ENERGY WHILE
ALLOCATING ITS COST AND BENEFITS
IN A MORE EQUITABLE MANNER AND
QUOTE. ON NAM KASHIF EQUITY
CONSIDERATIONS THE REPORT GOES
ON TO SAY QUOTE ALL RESIDENTIAL
NON NUMBER NON PARTICIPATING
CUSTOMERS INCLUDING CALIFORNIA
ALTERNATE RATES FOR ENERGY OR
CARE CUSTOMERS SHOULDER AN
ADDITIONAL RATE BURDEN AS A
RESULT OF THE KASHIF FROM THEM
CUSTOMERS AND QUOTE IN OUR LAST
HEARING AND THIS IS THE
HISTORICAL PART THAT- YOU- ARE
NOT HEARING ON. ON JUNE
SIXTEENTH OF LAST YEAR I ASKED
THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE P.
UC PRESIDENT BADGER HER
THOUGHTS. ON THIS VERY RIP. AND
HER COMMITMENT TO THE
LEGISLATURE. AND SHE SAID IN THE
HEARING THAT IT WOULD BE
ACCURATE TO SAY THAT THE
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE KASHIF
FLIES ON THE P. UC. AND THAT THE
P. YOU SEE WILL BE MAKING A
DECISION BY THE END OF TWENTY
TWENTY ONE. SHE STATED AND I
QUOTE THE P. YOU SEE HAS A
RESPONSIBILITY TO ACT IN AN
EFFECTIVE MANNER AND TAKE CARE
OF THOSE THAT THEY ARE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RATE PAYER
WE SHOULD ALWAYS ACT ON BEHALF
OF CALIFORNIANS. AND QUOTE. MY
QUESTION TO YOU PRESIDENT
REYNOLDS IS WHAT IS YOUR
COMMITMENT TO ADDRESSING THE
COST SHIFT. TO PROTECT RENTERS
AND LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES AND
WHEN CAN WE EXPECT THE NUMBER
OPPOSE DECISION TO BE BACK ON
THE AGENDA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FOR THAT QUESTION ASSEMBLY
MEMBER- AND I RECOGNIZE THAT YES
BUT THEIR HUSBAND OF TRANSITION
AT THE COMMISSION- WITH MY
BEGINNING OF MY TERM STARTING IN
BEING IN THIS YEAR- WE ALSO HAVE
A NEW COMMISSIONER STARTED TWO
AND A HALF WEEKS AGO- I MEAN I
WILL THIS YEAR YOU JUST OVERALL
AND- AS I STATED PREVIOUSLY. I'M
VERY MUCH CONCERNED WITH IMPACTS
ON RATEPAYERS AND AFFORDABILITY
FOR ALL CUSTOMERS THROUGHOUT THE
STATE- WITH RESPECT TO THE-
NEVER DECISION IT'S SOMETHING
THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT VERY
CAREFULLY- I WOULD I AM PAYING
CLOSE ATTENTION- TO THE
DIRECTION OF THE LEGISLATURE. I
WHICH DID- INCLUDE SPECIFICS TO
CONSIDER- THE ATTACKS OF ANY
COST SHIFT AND LOOK AT CUSTOMERS
THAT- DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO
ROOFTOP SOLAR- THE DIRECTION OF
THE LEGISLATURE ALSO REQUIRES
THAT YOU SEE TO ENSURE THAT
CUSTOMERS CITED. RENEWABLE
GENERATION CONTINUES TO
CONTRIBUTE TO GROW SUSTAINABLY-
SO WE ARE- CONSIDERING THAT
DIRECTION VERY CAREFULLY- THE
DECISION IS. IT COMPLICATED AS
YOU NOW- HEADS IT HAS TO DO WITH
MANY ELEMENTS OF THE WAY THAT
ROOFTOP SOLAR CUSTOMERS ARE
COMPENSATED THE WAY THAT THEY-
AT OUR ARE PAID FOR- THANK READ
ON IT THAT THEY USE- FOR THEIR
SYSTEMS BOTH TO. RECEIVE ENERGY
AND TO EXPORT ENERGY- AND WE ARE
TRYING TO MOVE VERY. QUICKLY IN
REACHING- AND IN CONTINUING OUR
EVALUATION WE HAVE AT THE
LUMINOUS RECORD THE DECISION
ITSELF THAT PROPOSED DECISION
IS- OVER A HUNDRED PAGES. I
THINK ALMOST TWO HUNDRED PAGES
SO WE WE'RE AT ALL OF THAT VERY.
AND CONSIDER THE UPPER ISSUE
THAT YOU'VE RAISED. PLEASE THANK
YOU MR CHAIRMAN THANK YOU FOR
THAT ANSWER- PRESIDENT REYNOLDS-
YOU BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE ON COST
SO I JUST WANT TO READ ANOTHER
LITTLE PORTION OF THE REPORT
THAT SAYS. THE STUDY ALSO FOUND
THAT THE COST TO THE ELECTRIC
UTILITIES AND THEIR CUSTOMERS A
PROVIDING THESE EXTRA ELECTRIC
BILL SAVINGS IS GREATER. THAN
THE ENERGIES VALUE. IN EXAMPLE
THE UTILITY PAYS MORE TEN THEM
CUSTOMERS THAN IT WOULD PAY
ELSEWHERE FOR THE SAME ENERGY
FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF ENERGY.
AND OTHER ELECTRICAL GRID
BENEFITS. SO WHAT WHAT I'M NOT
HEARING AND I UNDERSTAND THAT
YOU ARE THAT YOU ARE NEW AND
THIS IS A LOT TO TAKE ON AND
THERE ARE MANY RESPONSIBILITIES
UNDER. YOUR JURISDICTION BUT
THIS CONVERSATION IS CRITICAL IN
AN EFFORT TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE
EQUITY IN ENERGY AND A DIVERSE
ENERGY PORTFOLIO AND THAT WE ARE
ENSURING THAT. AS WE MOVE
TOWARDS ARE INCREDIBLE AND
HONESTLY WORLD BREAKING
RENEWABLE ENERGY GOALS AS STATED
BY MY COLLEAGUES EARLIER. AND
INCREASING THE ABILITY FOR OUR
GREAT TO MANAGE THAT. WE ARE ALL
COMMITTED TO ENSURING THAT THERE
IS EQUITY AND ENERGY AND THAT
RENTERS ARE NOT BEING LEFT
BEHIND- AND THIS IS JUST THE
CONTINUED CONVERSATION ON INCOME
INEQUALITY. AND OPPORTUNITY FOR
RESOURCES WE ARE COMMITTED TO
ENSURING THAT WE REACH OUR GOALS
BUT BY THE P. YOU SEEN NOT
ACTING. YOU ARE PUTTING US IN A
VERY DIFFICULT POSITION AND SO I
WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU DIRECTLY.
WHEN WILL WE BE ABLE TO SEE THE
NEW PROPOSALS BACK ON THE AGENDA
HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE
YOU. AND YOUR TEAM TO GET OF YOU
KNOW ALL THE INFORMATION THAT
YOU EED I KNOW IT'S A LOT. BUT
WE IN THE LEGISLAURE WERE
ACTUALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU
WHAT THAT TIME LINE ACTUALLY
LOOKS LIKE IS IT BY THE END OF
THIS YEAR IS IT TWO YEARS FROM
NOW. BECAUSE IN THE MEANTIME
RENTERS CONTINUE TO BE HURT LOW
INCOME COMMUNITIES CONTINUE TO
BE HEARD. SO WHAT IS WHAT DOES
THAT LOOK LIKE TO YOU. HEY AT I
UNDERSTAND AND- I DO APPRECIATE
YOUR QUESTION AND DON'T AT ALL
MEAN- TO DODGE IT OR USE YOU
KNOW THAT THAT THE TIMING OF MY
STARTING THIS POSITION AS AN
EXCUSE BUT I WILL SAY THAT WE DO
HAVE AN- OPEN PROCEEDING HERE WE
HOP AN EVIDENTIARY RECORD BEFORE
US THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT VERY
CAREFULLY- THAT PROCEEDING. IS
ONGOING WE STILL HAVE ORAL
ARGUMENT- TO BE HERE- AND WE
INTEND TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS
POSSIBLE I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT
DATE. FOR YOU- AS WE SIT HERE
TODAY- BUT THE- I IT'S THE
PROCESS IS ON GOING AND- AS THE-
ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE
INDICATED TO THE PARTIES AND THE
PROCEEDING- SHE WILL BE SENDING
A- SCHEDULE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
ADD TO THE FULL SERVICE IST SO
THAT EVERYBODY GETS THAT
INFORMATION AT THE SAME TIME.
THANK YOU MR HOLDEN FOLLOWED BY
A MYSTERY. THANK YOU THANK YOU
MISTER CHAIR I'D LIKE TO JOIN
WITH OTHERS WHO I'M SURE AT THE
BEGINNING OF THE SYRIAN
CONGRATULATED YOU ARE PRESIDENT
RENTALS ON YOUR- APPOINTMENT TO
PRESIDENT OF THE P. YOU SEE WE
LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR LEADERSHIP
THERE AND AS YOU CAN SEE OF YOUR
STEP IN AND I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS
BEFORE. YOU GOT INTO THIS
POSITION THE MAGNITUDE OF ISSUES
THAT WERE BEFORE THE STATE AND
THIS A UTILITY ENERGY SPACE AND
THE CHALLENGES THAT WE ALL FACE
TO TRY TO. RESPONSIBLY GET TO
OUR CLEAN ENERGY GOALS- TO DO
THAT IN A WAY THAT IS COST
EFFECTIVE. AND DOES NOT OVER-
BECOME OVERBEARING TO THE
RATEPAYER. IN CALIFORNIA AND IN
ALL CATEGORIES RESIDENTIAL AND
COMMERCIAL- I WANTED TO. KIND OF
BRING UP AND ASK IF YOU HAD AN
OPPORTUNITY. WELL LET ME LET ME
PUT IT THIS WAY I WANT TO SAY A
COUPLE YEARS AGO. OF COMMITTEE.
HELD A HEARING ON RATES AND THE
FACT THAT. COST OF UTILITIES OR
COST OF POWER AND THE IMPACT
THAT WAS HAVING ON RATE PAYERS.
FELT LIKE AT SOME POINT AS WE
CONTINUE ON WE WERE GOING TO GET
TO A PLACE. WHERE THERE COULD BE
SOME TYPE OF A RAPE PAYER REVOLT
. IF WE WEREN'T IN A POSITION TO
START MOVING THIS IN A
DIFFERENT. TACK AND CHANGING THE
TRAJECTORY IF YOU WILL ON HOW
THE IMPACT WAS BEING FELT ACROSS
THE BOARD. AND ONE OF THOSE
SUGGESTIONS THAT CAME OUT OR OR
THOUGHTS OUT OF THAT HEARING WAS
THE POTENTIAL OF LOOKING AT
RATE. REFORM AND I WANTED TO.
KIND OF GET YOUR- THOUGHTS ON
WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IS
THAT SOMETHING THAT THE PC. HAS
FROM THAT HEARING STARTED TO
INVESTIGATE OR- IS THIS AN AREA
THAT. ARE COMPLICATED AS IT MAY
BE- THERE'S SOME VALUE TO
LOOKING AT WHAT THAT REPRESENTS
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE. VARIOUS
PROGRAMS THAT TRY TO EASE THE
BURDEN. FROM LOW INCOME OR
DISADVANTAGED RATE PAYERS- BUT
RIGHT NOW. I THINK EVERY PERSON
WHO'S PAYING IS STARTING TO FEEL
LIKE THEY'RE DISADVANTAGED
REPAIR SO. THAT WOULD BE MY
FIRST QUESTION TO SEE. WHAT
THOUGT TO HAVE- DO YOU HAVE IN
THIS AREA OR- IF THE- DIRECTION
OF THE COMMISSION MIGHT BE TO
START- DOING HEARINGS ARE DOING
SOME TYPE OF EVALUATION ON. WHAT
REFORM MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
ABSOLUTELY AND THANK YOU FOR
THAT QUESTION- I KNEW AND SO I
THINK I'M OPEN TO A LOTS OF
THINGS- AND IT ALSO YOUR
QUESTION COMES AT A GOOD TIME
BECAUSE WE DID JUST COMPLETE
THIS AFFORDABILITY WORKSHOP-
OVER THE PAST TWO DAYS IT WAS
MONDAY OR TUESDAY OF THIS WEEK-
THE ISSUE OF RATE REFORM CAME
UP. SEVERAL TIMES DURING THE
WORKSHOP AND- VARIOUS IDEAS WERE
BROUGHT UP- I'LL HAVE TO SAY I
DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SIMPLE
SILVER BULLET HERE- BUT I AM
OPEN TO- CONSIDERING- DIFFERENT
OPTIONS- AT THE COMMISSION WE
WILL BE CONTINUING THAT
PROCEEDING AND TAKING THE-
INFORMATION THAT CAME OUT OF
THOSE WORKSHOPS- AND THEN MAKING%
DECISIONS. ABOUT HOW TO PROCEED-
SO I THINK- IT YOU'RE YOU'RE AT
THE DIRECT ANSWER TO YOUR
QUESTION IS- POSSIBLY AND THAT
WE- THAT WE DO HAVE THIS
PROCEEDING- WILL BE LOOKING AT
THAT VERY CAREFULLY- WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE- DOING.
THAT TAKING ACTIONS THOUGHTFULLY
AND AGAIN IT WILL IT WE DID WE
HAVE NOT SEEN KIND OF A AND AN
OUTCOME THAT WE KNOW WE WANT TO
GET TO IT'S MORE OF THAT THAT WE
WANT TO EXPLORE DIFFERENT
OPTIONS- BUT THE WORKSHOP
WEDNESDAY. A VERY- RICH
DISCUSSION OF. DIFFERENT IDEAS
IN THIS AREA- I WANTED WERE YOU
FOR I WANT TO- JUST A LINE MY-
COMMENTS ON THE NET ENERGY
METERING CONVERSATION THAT- MY
COLLEAGUES HAS HAD- WITH TRYING
TO GET TO SOME COMPLAIN I KNOW
THAT YOU'RE- WORKING THROUGH THE
PROCESS AND CONTINUING TO.
EVALUATE THE- THE RECORD AND
COMMENTS THAT ARE I GUESS STILL
COMING IN- BUT I THINK THE
PRELIMINARY- DECISION SEEMED TO
STRIKE A GOOD BALANCE. OF JUST.
FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING AND
CERTAINLY COMMENTED AND SIGNED A
LETTER. DATED FEBRUARY FOURTH
TWO TO THAT EFFECT- AND SO I
HOPE THAT- THAT IN TERMS OF
EVALUATING. THE KIND OF THE
DIRECTION THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD
ONE TO GO AND THAT THE- COMMENTS
THAT THE LEGISLATORS WHO HASN'T
pEVEN MENTIONED WANTING TO HEAR
FROM LEGISLATORS I THANK THE
CHAIR. THROUGH THE CHAIR AND
MANY OTHERS HAVE JOINED IN IN
ONE ACCORD TO. BELIEVE THAT THAT
DECISION IS- WAS A FAIR AND
REASONABLE ONE- AND CERTAINLY-
YOU KNOW I GUESS WITH THE LONGER
ONE CAN ONTINUE TO THANK IN
DEBATING REFLECT NEW IDEAS CAN
EMERGE BUT GIVEN WHAT WE KNOW
AND THAT THE COST SHIFT IS REAL.
AND IF WE ARE AGAIN CONCERNED
ABOUT THE DISPROPORTIONATE
IMPACT ON LOW INCOME RATEPAYERS
- AS TIME GOES ON IT'S GOING TO
GOING ONLY GOING TO GROW. AND SO
THE SOONER WERE ABLE TO CREATE
EQUITY AND BALANCE IN THIS
PROGRAM. THEN EVEN WITH RATE. A
RATE REFORM WE STILL MAY NOT BE
COVERING THE BASES AS THOROUGHLY
AS WE SHOULD. MORE OF A
STATEMENT THAN THAN A QUESTION-
VERY QUICKLY- WANTED TO AND I'M
MY APOLOGIES FOR MISSING. THE
OPENING PART OF YOUR
PRESENTATION- DID YOU TOUCH ON
THE SUMMER OF ELECTRICITY
RELIABILITY AND HOW- WE'RE
PREPARING FOR THE SUMMER AND-
OKAY SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO
REPEATED IF YOU'VE ALREADY- I'LL
I'LL TALK TO MISTER MURATSUCHI
AND HILL. HE'S GIVING HAND
SIGNALS THAT NO WE'VE ALREADY
COVERED THAT THAT THAT THE
ISSUE- SO I'LL CONCLUDE WITH ONE
ONE COMMENT THAT ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT- AND I WASN'T SURE
HOME POWER WHETHER I WAS GOING
TO BRING IT UP TODAY BUT- AS WE
TALK ABOUT. INITIATIVES THAT
BOOST LEGISLATIVE BODY HAS.
CONSIDERED IN RECENT TIMES THAT
ACTUALLY WOULD LOWER- REPAIR
COSTS. WAS THE ONE LOOKING AT
HOW WE COULD EXPLORE EXPANDING
OUR REGIONAL GRETA MAKING THE
GRID MORE REGIONAL- EFFORT
EXPANDING THE FOOTPRINT. WHAT IN
THE STATE IN A STRONGER POSITION
TO BE A BETTER EXPORTER AND
IMPORTER- AND I THINK THAT THERE
ARE A LOT OF IMPORTANT QUESTIONS
THAT- WE'RE WE'RE STILL IN THE
PROCESS OF HAVING CONVERSATIONS
WITH CERTAINLY ON JOBS AND
MAKING SURE THAT. OF WHEN
PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE BUILT
THAT THEY WERE. THAT THOSE
PROJECTS ARE BUILT- BY THE- MEN
pSEE EMPLOYED THROUGH. R. I. B.
W.'S AND OTHERS THAT ARE-
CERTAINLY COMMITTED TO THAT- BUT
WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT.
WHEN WE ARE CURTAILING POWER. A
SOLAR AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN
WE COULD EXPORT THAT. THAT
BECOMES A REAL BENEFIT. TO
RATEPAYERS OF THAT WE ARE SEEING
A CHANGE IN. AND THE FEDERAL
LEVEL ON POLICY AND SO I THINK
THAT THE REASON FOR BRINGING UP
TODAY AS ONE I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT TO HAVE A
CONVERSATION- AND FIND WAYS THAT
WE CAN MAYBE LOOK AT. MOVING
FORWARD AN INITIATIVE THAT.
MAKES SENSE THE DRAWS UPON THE
VALUE OF OTHER STATES NOW
BASICALLY FOLLOWING CALIFORNIA'S
LEAD IN RENEWABLE. A CARBON
REDUCING GOALS AND- SO I JUST I
GUESS I WANTED TO SEE WHERE
WHERE YOU. HAVE YOUR YOUR
FUNDAMENTAL THINKING ON ON THAT
I'M NOT. PROPOSING ANYTHING AT
THIS MOMENT OTHER THAN IT'S AN
IMPORTANT CONVERSATION TO HAVE
AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT RATES
IT'S A- STRATEGY THAT I THINK
CAN BE VERY HELPFUL. TO
ADDRESSING THAT AND JUST WANTED
TO. GET YOUR YOUR SENSE OF
THINGS.
OKAY I THINK. THERE MIGHT BE
SOME. YEAH BACK TO TOP OKAY AT-
PRESIDENT WE CAN'T YOU- AND WE
CAN SEE SO HOLD TIGHT FOR A
MINUTE CAN YOU HEAR US. YOU CAN
NOT JUST. CAN YOU HEAR US OKAY
SHE CAN HEAR US OR WILL GO ON
THIS ACT. THERE WERE. SAM BY
PRESIDENT- RENTALS ARE WORKING
ON THAT. YEAH CAN YOU HEAR ME.
HERE WE GO OKAY- SO THANK YOU
ASSEMBLY MEMBER HOLDEN FOR YOUR
QUESTION- I AS YOU KNOW THE
ENERGY IMBALANCE MARKET IS-
CONTINUING TO GROW WITH NEW
PARTICIPANTS AND THAT K. SO IS
MOVING FORWARD WITH PROGRESS ON-
IT'S- DAY HAD MARKET-
ENHANCEMENTS TO THE ENERGY
IMBALANCE MARKET AT THE P. C.
WERE FOLLOWING THOSEACTIVITIES
VERY CLOSELY- WITH THE INTERESTS
OF CALIFORNIA AND MIND AND SO I
THINK ARGUE AT THIS POINT IS TO
TRACK THAT PROCESS MAKE SURE
THAT WE ARE- CONTRIBUTING WITH-
SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ON OUR
END- IT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE
SUPPORTING THE CASE SO. AS WELL
AS- PROTECTING CALIFORNIA'S AND
CALIFORNIA'S INTERESTS- AS IT
MOVES FORWARD SO YOU KNOW
CERTAINLY HAPPY TO FOLLOW IT AS
THINGS UNFOLD AND- TO SUPPORT
THE EFFORTS OF K. SO- BUT WE ARE
JUST YOU KNOW REALLY LASER
FOCUSED ON ON CALIFORNIA AND
MAKING SURE THAT AT THE END OF
THE. DAY IT'S CALIFORNIA THAT
BENEFITS. THANK YOU PRESIDENT I
HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS OUT KIND OF
BUILD OFF OF THE NEMT. QUESTION
BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY TO OTHER
LEGACY PROGRAMS THAT YOU MAY OR
MAY NOT BE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT
CAN YOU SHARE WITH US THAT. IS
THE COMMISSION LOOKING AT OTHER
PROGRAMS AS IT RELATES TO-
REFORMS- THAT REFLECT OUR
INTENTIONS SIMILARLY TO THE ID
NUMBER. A CHANGES THAT ADDRESS
THE ISSUE OF EQUITY IN. THE
DISTRIBUTION OF COSTS THAT YOU
SHARE WITH US IF THERE'S
ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE STARTED
LOOKING AT IN THAT PERSPECTIVE.
I MEAN I'M NOT SURE TRYING TO
ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SO YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT OTHER ANY OTHER
LEGACY PROGRAMS AT THE PC MAY BE
REVIEWING THAT HAS. SIMILAR YOU
KNOW THE STRUCTURAL POLICY
CHALLENGES THAT ARE NOT
REFLECTIVE OF. YOU KNOW COST
SHARING YOU KNOW- DISTRIBUTION-
THE ISSUE OF A LOW AND VERY LOW
INCOME YOU KNOW RATE PAYERS-
BEING PUT INTO ACCOUNT AS THE
PROGRAM MAYBE AT ONE POINT. HAVE
BEEN EFFECTIVE NOW WE'RE LOOKING
AT NEEDING TO DO THINGS
DIFFERENTLY JUST YOU KNOW THE
NAME DISCUSSION TRIGGERS. US TO
PERHAPS TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER
PROGRAMS THAT ARE IN PLACE. GOT
IT YEAH ABSOLUTELY- WE DO HAVE
THE MULTI FAMILY- SOLAR
AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT-
PROGRAM- WHICH FOCUSES ON-
DISTRIBUTED ENERGY RESOURCES.
AND I AFFORDABLE HOUSING-
PROJECTS INSTEAD FOCUSING ON
MULTI FAMILY VERSUS SINGLE
FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH THE IDEA
THAT- WE NEED TO S. IT ADDED
ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS
TO TRY TO DRIVE THESE RESOURCES.
TO CUSTOMERS THAT MIGHT NOT
OTHERWISE HAVE ACCESS TO THEM.
I'M WE HAVE A BATTERY STORAGE
PROGRAMS AS WELL- THE S.
JEOPARDY GRAHAM- IT ISN'T A LOT
OF THAT IS FOCUSED ON WILDFIRE
AREAS- BUT IT ALSO PROVIDES
SUBSIDIES FOR BATTERY STORAGE-
IT SAID THOSE ARE TWO EXAMPLES
OF PROGRAMS WHERE THAT WE'RE
USING TO TRY TO- DRIVE SOME OF
THESE PROGRAMS- AWAY FROM THE
HIGHER INCOME CUSTOMERS AND
TOWARDS THE- LOWER INCOME
CUSTOMERS SO THAT. WE CAN HAVE
EVERYONE BENEFITS. THANK THANK
YOU FOR SHARING THAT IT CLEARLY
THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE AMOUNT
OF ATTENTION. THAT THE NUMBER OF
GRAHAM IS GETTING BUT WE
CERTAINLY. CAN'T OVERLOOK- THESE
OTHER PROGRAMS THAT COULD
POTENTIALLY SEE SOME INSTRUCTION
AND- MY COLLEAGUES- MYSTERY- HAD
HER HAND UP I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS
ID THE TRANSMISSION AND
RELIABILITY- ARENA. I'M- I'M
WONDERING IF THE COMMISSION.
WHAT WHAT IS THE COMMISSION
LOOKING- TOWARDS- AS RELEASE A
MITIGATING. D. IMPACTS OF
BUILDING OUT OUR TRANSMISSION
SYSTEM. IN CALIFORNIA HOW ARE WE
ARE LOOKING TO TRY TO. MINIMIZE
THE COST TO RATE PAYERS AS WE-
LOOK AT BUILDING OUT
TRANSMISSION- IN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA WE'RE GOING TO BE
SPENDING QUITE A BIT OF TIME
THIS COMMITTEE ON THAT SUBJECT
THE SECOND QUESTION IS IN
REGARDS TO RELIABILITY IN. ANY
FORESEEABLE THAT EMERGENCY
MEASURES THAT WE NEED TO TAKE-
KIND OF IN A PROACTIVE APPROACH
AS IT RELATES TO THE RELIABILITY
OF A LOVE. THE CHANCE TO THOSE
TWO QUESTIONS AND GO TO MY
COLLEAGUE ISRAEL. YEAH
ABSOLUTELY SO IN THE FIRST
QUESTION ON TRANSMISSION- YOU'RE
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT
TRANSMISSION CAN BE VERY COSTLY
AND SO WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL
ABOUT THOSE COSTS- WE HAVE A
PROCESS THAT THE COMMISSION AND-
ALSO IN IN PARTNERSHIP WITH K.
SO. MAKING SURE THAT WERE
CAREFULLY PLANNING FOR
TRANSMISSION- AND- LOOKING AT
ALTERNATIVES. AND WE WERE ABLE
RECENTLY TO AVOID A TRANSMISSION
PROJECT THROUGH AN ALTERNATIVE
THAT INVOLVED- STORAGE OPTIONS
AND SO WE ALWAYS WANT TO TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF. OF THOSE
OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE CAN- WE
ALSO ARE WORKING WITH K. SO ON-
EXISTING CAPACITY SO THAT WERE
BEING VERY STRATEGIC ABOUT WHERE
NEW GENERATIONS GO IN. AND ARE
INTERCONNECTED IN PLACES WHERE
WE HAVE EXISTING CAPACITY SO
THAT THE THAT THE PROCESS IN THE
PAST WHERE WE'VE MOVED REALLY-
YOU KNOW QUITE SLOWLY AND
INCREMENTALLY ON I'M PROJECTS
AND TRANSMISSION- DOESN'T REALLY
MATCH OUR NEEDS NOW BIG BECAUSE
OF THE BUILD OUT THAT WE NEED TO
DO TO GET OFF OF OUR GAS
RESOURCES AS WE DISCUSSED
EARLIER IN THIS HEARING- SO WE
NEED TO REALLY ADOPT AND DEVELOP
NEW TOOLS AND SO ONE OF THE
THINGS WE'RE DOING IS- WORKING
WITH K. SO. REALLY TRYING TO
IDENTIFY WHERE THE AREAS WHERE
THERE IS EXISTING- TRANSMISSION
AND CAN WE WORK ON GENERATION
PROJECTS THAT THAT MATCH THOSE
AREAS. HI SO IS ALSO DOING.
RECENTLY AT. A TWENTY YEAR
OUTLOOK- WHICH IS- THAT LONGER
TERM THAN ITS CURRENT TEN YEAR
PLANNING CYCLE WHICH WILL HELP
US LOOK FOR WAYS TO CONTROL
COSTS IN THE LONG TERM. AS WE
MOVE FORWARD- TOWARD A CLEAN
ENERGY GOALS. THANK YOU FOR- FOR
THE ANSWERS AND THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING UP THE CALENDAR SO OUT
LOOK. AT WHAT WHAT WULD YOU SAY
JUSTIN GLANCE OF THAT- OUTLOOK.
THE CPC'S- PROJECTED YOU KNOW
PLANS FOR TRANSMISSION THE CDC
HAS ITS- PERSPECTIVES ON THAT DO
YOU SEE THE A GREATER NEED FOR-
COORDINATION- AND COLLABORATION
TO. ADDRESS THE TRANSMISSION
NEEDS AND POTENTIALLY. HAVING
IMPLICATIONS ON THE ON THE COST
ELEMENT OF ALL THIS IS THERE%
SOMETHING THERE THAT WE COULD
BE- DOING. TO ENSURE HER BETTER-
COORDINATION OF THESE OF THESE
VISIONS THAT ARE BEING LAID OUT
BY THE INDEPENDENT- MANAGER OF-
THE GRID SYSTEM AND THEN OF
COURSE TO THE TO. AGENCIES THAT
I JUST MENTIONED. THAT'S A GREAT
QUESTION AND WILL CONTINUE TO
THINK ABOUT AND GET BACK TO YOU
ON WHETHER THERE ARE SOME NEED
FOR NEW LEGISLATION- I THINK IT
YOU KNOW MAYBE WITH RESPECT TO-
SHARING UP AND FOR INFIRM
CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION AND THE
ABILITY TO- SHARE DIFFERENT
TYPES OF INFORMATION- IT WITH
RESPECT TO. IT N GENERAL
WORKING TOGETHER IN COORDINATING
OUR EFFORTS THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT IS HAPPENING NOW AND WE'VE
BEEN ABLE TO ALIGN OUR
PROCESSES- BUT WE CAN'T BECAUSE
IT'S VERY VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE
NOTE AND WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH
YOU AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING. IN
ADDITION TO THAT. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS- I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER
COLLEAGUES- RUSH INTO THE MARKET
WHAT YOU DO BEST ANOTHER
QUESTION THAT I DIDN'T GET TO
ANSWER ON RELIABILITY YES PLEASE
GO AHEAD AND SIGN. IT SO AND I
DID I DIDN'T MEAN TO LEAVE THAT
OUT- AND WHETHER THERE ARE ANY
EMERGENCY ACTIONS THAT ARE
NEEDED AT THIS POINT AND- I
REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE TOO
ROSY A PICTURE OF WHERE WHERE DO
I. GO I WOULD HOW RELIABILITY
LOOKS- IT'S SOMETHING THAT- IT
IS VERY HARD TO PREDICT GIVEN
THE WEATHER CONDITIONS AND- THE-
JUST THE UNEXPECTED THAT CAN
OCCUR LAST YEAR WE SAW A
SITUATION WHERE WE HAD A WEST
LIGHT HEAT WAVE AT THE SAME TIME
THAT. WILDFIRES WERE PRESENT IN
THE STATE AND IN FACT THE
WILDFIRES THREATENS THE MAJOR-
YOU KNOW TYPE IN CALIFORNIA AND
OREGON AND SAID THAT IT WAS
DEGRADED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME SO
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE
NOT EXPERIENCED BEFORE WAS
UNEXPECTED- AND REALLY IT WAS A
CHALLENGE FOR RELIABILITY SO-
ALTHOUGH I DID DESCRIBE THE
EFFORTS THAT WE'RE TAKING TO.
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE READY FOR
THIS COMING SUMMER- I DIDN'T
WANT TO SAY YOUKNOW IF WE'VE
GOT THIS WE'RE WE'RE ENTIRELY
CERTAIN THAT WE CAN MAKE IT
THROUGH THE SUMMER AND- HAVE
SUFFICIENT RESOURCES. SO WE'RE
ALWAYS ON THE ALERT WERE ALWAYS
READY FOR EMERGENCIES- WE DON'T
SEE ANY IMMEDIATE NEEDS RIGHT
NOW- CONDITIONS CAN CHANGE VERY
RAPIDLY AND I JUST WANTED TO LET
THE COMMITTEE KNOW THAT WE'RE.
DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO
BE READY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH-
WOULD YOU LIKE. GO OUT OF
CONTROL THE- YOUR- PRESENTATION
TODAY OR YOUR- PARTICIPATION
WITH US WE'RE GONNA- GO INTO
PUBLIC COMMENTS AFTER THAT- WE
DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
HERE. THE COMMITTEE SO I'D LIKE
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE-
TODAY'S BAD DISCUSSION. I DID
WANT TO THANK YOU CHAIR GARCIA
AND THANK ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF
THE COMMITTEE- I LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING WITH THE COMMITTEE- IN
THE COMING YEAR AND BEYOND- THE
LEGISLATURE HAS TRADITIONALLY
BEEN. I'M VERY ACTIVE AND
HELPFUL IN ENERGY MATTERS AND SO
I HOPE THAT WILL CONTINUE I AM
MAKE THE SAME- OFFER OF MR BAKER
AND MR BAKER STILL FREE TO
CONTACT ME- I'M HAPPY TO TALK IF
YOU HAVE CONCERNS I'M HAPPY TO
DISCUSS THEM. THIS DOESN'T HAVE
TO BE AN ANNUAL CONVERSATION WE
CAN ALSO TALK IN BETWEEN- AND
PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU NEED
ADDITIONAL FOLLOW UP FROM MY
STAFF. THANK YOU VERY MUCH THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR
PARTICIPATING AS WELL AS MATT
BAKER DIRECTOR OF THE PUBLIC
ADVOCATE'S OFFICE. I'M GONNA
ASK- ENGAGE D. A MODERATOR AT
JUST TO. SKIM I HER FOR FEW- ASK
THEM FOR EIGHTY AT NUMBER IN
TERMS OF- HOW MANY FOLKS WE HAVE
IN LINE TO SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC
COMMENTS I'M GONNA REMIND
EVERYONE WE'RE LIMITED TIME
TODAY- TO- THE REMOTE PUBLIC
COMMENT PERIOD AT THE END- FOR
JUST. AN HOUR I AM HOPING THAT
WE DON'T HAVE TO STAY HERE THAT
LONG BUT ONE HOUR AND THAT IT
WILL BE A ONE MINUTE PER PERSON
TESTIMONY WE DO HAVE SOME FOLKS
IN THE ROOM. THEY WANT TO SPEAK
SO WE'LL START TO THEIR IN
AUSTIN MODERATOR BEFORE HE GETS
STARTED OR SHE GETS STARTED TO
LET US KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE
IN THE QUEUE. AND OUT AND THEY
WILL START AFTER THE PUBLIC
TESTIMONY THAT IN IN THE IN THE
HEARING IT TODAY. THANK YOU FOR
PUBLIC COMMENT IS ONE AND THEN
ZERO. WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA DO
THE A PUBLIC COMMENT THAT'S HERE
IN THE HEARING ROOM FIRST AND
THEN WE'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC
COMMENTS ON ONLINE. YES HELLO
MISTER CHAIRMAN REMEMBER SCOTT
WHICH ON BEHALF OF THE
CALIFORNIA COALITION OF UTILITY
EMPLOYEES IN THE STATE
ASSOCIATION OF ELECTRICAL
WORKERS. THANK YOU FOR THIS
HEARING I PARTICULARLY
APPRECIATE THE ROBUST DISCUSSION
ABOUT THE NEED TO REFORM THE-
NET METERING PROGRAM I JUST LIKE
TO SAY MISTER CHAIR THAT WE HAVE
SPECIFICALLY ASKED THAT THE
HUNDREDS OF MY MEMBERS WHO.
PARTICIPATED IN TESTIFYING AT
THE P. YOU SEE ON THAT MATTER
NOT CALL INTO NIGHT TODAY- IN
RESPECT FOR THE COMMITTEE IN ITS
TIME I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY
THAT THE DISCUSSION ABOUT RATES.
I THOUGHT- MERGE QUITE-
APPROPRIATELY WITH THE NAME
DISCUSSION- YOU KNOW THE
LEGISLATURE FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO
AREN'T HERE PASSED AB THREE
TWENTY SEVEN IN TWENTY THIRTEEN.
DIRECTING THE COMMISSION. TO FIX
THE CAR SHIFT WAS NINE YEARS AGO
. SINCE THAT TIME THE COST SHIFT
IS NOW GROWN. TO ALMOST FOUR
BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IT
WILL BE ALMOST EIGHT BILLION
DOLLARS BY TWENTY THIRTY. THAT'S
COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY
UNACCEPTABLE I WISH MISTER
MURATSUCHI WAS STILL HERE SO WE
COULD HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION
ABOUT THE FACT THAT FOR INSTANCE
IN PGA TOUR SERVICE TERRITORY.
THE REIMBURSEMENT RATE FOR NAM
CUSTOMER TODAY IS TWENTY FIVE
CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR AND THE
WHOLESALE PRICE OF SOLAR ON THE
MARKET IS RIGHT AROUND THREE
CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR IS
UNSUSTAINABLE IT'S HURTING OUR
EFFORTS TO BE ABLE TO SPEND MORE
ON NEW RENEWABLE RESOURCES. IN
THE COMMISSION USED TO ACT AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE LASSEN MISTER
CHAIR. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT
I'VE TOLD THIS TESTIFIED IS
COMMITTEE MANY TIMES THAT IN OUR
OPINION MY CLIENT'S OPINION.
ENERGY POLICY IS THE MOST
REGRESSIVE TAX POLICY IN THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA. AND I THINK
THAT IT'S HIGH TIME THE STUDY BE
COMMISSIONED. OF ALL THE
PROGRAMS THAT TO BE YOU SEE.
WHERE ECONOMIST GO AND ANALYZE
WHAT EACH RATE CLASS HAS PAID.
THIS GONE TOWARDS AS PROGRAMS
AND HOW MUCH HAS BEEN RETURNED
TO EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT
ECONOMIC COHORTS BECAUSE I THINK
THE FINDINGS WOULD BE SHOCKING
TO THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF MANY OF
THE MEMBERS HERE. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH. THANK YOU. SO NOW UP ADAMA
MODERATOR CAN YOU TELL US HOW
MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THE QUEUE
FOR- PUBLIC TESTIMONY. YES THIS
YEAR WE HAVE FOR AT THIS TIME
THANK YOU. YOU MAY BEGIN. YOU
WERE GOING TO LINE TWENTY FOUR
YOUR LINE IS OPEN PLEASE GO
AHEAD. HELLO MY NAME IS MARK
HELLO NEED A SERVICE THAT COULD
DIRECTOR OF TURN THE UTILITY
REFORM NETWORK. I WANT TO MAKE
TWO BRIEF COMMENTS IN ANSWER TO
THE QUESTION WHAT AND THE
LEGISLATURE DO. TO MAKE A
DIFFERENCE WHEN IT COMES TO RATE
HERE HORTONVILLE. ONE DO YOU
LEGISLATURE CAN PASS A BILL THAT
WOULD BE FIVE YEARS. THE
UTILITIES TO SUBMIT AN INFLATION
CONSTRAINED RATING CREE CLASS.
IN ADDITION TO THEIR VALUES THE
LIMIT REQUEST. ALL PUT IN A
BRIEF FOR THE FROM BRIGHTON. THE
FIFTY THREE HAVE ONLY ONE OUT
THE AND THAT IS THEY HAVE THE
AUTHORITY POINT. IS TWENTY PER
THIRTY AND INCREASE REQUEST AND
THEN THEY GOT LITTLE THAT. WHAT
TURNED PROPOSED THAT YOU. ALL
AFTER MAKE AND CONCERT. AND THE
YOU CAN WRAP UP YOUR TEHAMA ARE. YOU FINISH YOUR YOU CAN FINISH
STATEMENT OKAY THANK. OKAY AND
I'M THE NEW. PACKAGE THE FIVE
EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR BRIDGE THANK
YOU. THANK YOU ARE NOT CALLER WE
COME FROM ONE THIRTY YEAR LINE
IS OPEN GO. HI GOOD AFTERNOON MY
IN THE HEARING OF A THE SEAT C.
YES. OKAY GREAT- WELL THIS IS
THE CALM SITUATION AND- I'M
ACTUALLY DISPLACED PERSON FROM
THE TUBBS FIRE- I WAS LIVING IN
CINEMA COUNTY AND- WITH MY FOUR
CHILDREN DURING OCTOBER
SEVENTEEN. DEVASTATION AND
THERE'S JUST A LOT OF DIRECTION
BY COULD TAKE THIS COMMENT BUT I
JUST WANT TO START BY SAYING
THAT IT'S INTERESTING TO ME THAT
YOU DECIDED TO ALLOCATE SIXTY
MINUTES. THE COMMENTS THERE'S
FIVE PEOPLE WHO WANNA CONVENT
AND YET YOU'RE CUTTING PEOPLE
OFF I FIND THAT TO BE A LITTLE
BIT PROBLEMATIC. BUT I JUST WANT
TO GO AHEAD AND ALSO- READ A
LITTLE BIT FROM HER- ABC TEN
ARTICLE FROM LAST NOVEMBER. THE
CPUC COMMISSION VOTED THURSDAY
TO CONCEAL MESSAGES BETWEEN THE
TWO LEADER AND GOVERNOR GAVIN
NEWSOM OFFICE. AS THEY WORK
TOGETHER TO BAIL PACIFIC GAS AND
ELECTRIC COMPANY PG&E OUT OF THE
FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCES OF CRIME.
PG&E WAS CONVICTED OF EIGHTY
FIVE FELONIES INCLUDING EIGHTY
FOUR COUNTS OF MANSLAUGHTER FOR
SPARKING THE TWENTY EIGHTEEN
CAMPFIRE THROUGH A RECKLESS AND
CRIMINALLY NEGLIGENT LACK OF
MAINTENANCE. AT POWER GRID
ORGANIZED IF YOU WRAP UP YOUR
COMMENT IS INTERESTING THAT YOU
HAVE A ROAD PAULDING DOOR ON THE
PRESIDENT OF THAT ORGANIZATION
THE CPC WHERE DID MARY BETH
STATURE GO GET. ENOUGH FIFTY
THERE YOU CUT COMMENTS. OFF OF.
THANK YOU AND NEXT TO A BOTTOM
LINE TWENTY EIGHT. YOUR LINE IS
OPEN PLEASE GO AHEAD. THANK YOU
AND- THANK YOU JOE MCCARTY AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE JOINT
COMMITTEE PRESIDENT CEO OF THE
CALIFORNIA SENATE CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE. AND A MEMBER OF
AFFORDABLE CLEAN ENERGY FOR ALL.
POLLUTION OF MORE THAN ONE
HUNDRED ORGANIZATIONS ADVOCATING
FOR REFORM IN THE STATE'S
INEQUITABLE ROOFTOP SOLAR
PROGRAM THAT ENERGY METERING
PROGRAM. WE WANT TO EXPRESS OUR
APPRECIATION TO SEVERAL MEMBERS.
OF THIS COMMITTEE INCLUDING ITS
CHAIRMAN FOR CONVENING A SOUND.
SOUND THE ALARM ON THE NEED FOR
MEMBER FORM AND PROVIDING EQUITY
FOR ALL CALIFORNIA. LOW INCOME
CALIFORNIANS THAT SMALL
BUSINESSES SHOULD NOT BE PAYING
HIGHER ELECTRICITY BILLS SO THAT
HIGHER EARNING CALIFORNIANS CAN
INSTALL WHO TALKS OVER AND HAVE
A LOWER. OR NO ELECTRICITY DOES
. MA'AM IN ITS CURRENT FORM THE
BILL HILD FOR HOW. THE BOTTOM
OKAY NOW OBJECT. THE COST. ON
THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY SO TO ENDS
. WELL ONLY GET. I THANK YOU FOR
BEING FOR REFORM WHO CAN YOU FOR
THE STOCK. NEXT WEEK- THANK YOU
. NEXT WE'LL GO TO LINE TWELVE
YOUR LINE IS OPEN. HELLO MY NAME
IS GREG MORRIS OF THE GREEN
POWER INSTITUTE. AND I'M CALLING
ACTUALLY TO- BRING UP THE SECOND
TIME THAT THIS HEARING THE-
INTERVENOR COMPENSATION PROGRAM
AT THE COMMISSION WHICH IS- THE
END BY THE INSTITUTE IS ONE OF
BETTY. ARE ORGANIZATIONS THAT
PARTICIPATED I THINK REALLY DO-
MAKE BIG CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE
WHO WORK FOR THE P. YOU SEE-
THAT THE PROGRAM. IT'S NOW
GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE WE PUT
IN A CLAIM WHICH STATUTORILY IS
SUPPOSED TO BE RESOLVED WITHIN
SEVENTY FIVE DAYS OF IT. TAKING
NOTE A YEAR I'VE GOT ONE TWO AND
A HALF YEARS- JUST SITTING
THERE- ARE NO PROBLEMS WITH IT
BUT I AM AWARE OF. AND TRULY YOU
EVEN IF THRE'S BEEN A SLIGHT
INCREASE IN THE INPUT YOU CAN
WRAP UP YOUR CULTURE. OKAY I'LL
WRAP UP THE PROBLEM IS NOT THAT
BUT LET ME PUT IN ONE OTHER
QUICK THOUGHTS. WHEN YOU MOVE
THE WILDFIRE MITIGATION PLANS TO
THE O. D. I. S. IT WOULD BE
WONDERFUL IF THERE WAS A WAY TO
CREATE A AN- INTERVENOR
COMPENSATION- CLAIM THE
POSSIBILITY OVER THERE OR THE
EQUIVALENT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU OUR NEXT WILL GO TO
LINE THIRTY ONE YOUR LINE IS
OPEN PLEASE GO AHEAD. THANK YOU-
MY NAME IS HUNTER STERNUM WITH
IBEW LOCAL TWELVE FORTY FIVE- I
WANT TO THANK- CHAIR GARCIA IN
THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS- FOR THE
HEARING AND THE AND THE
DIRECTION OF THE HEARING IN
PARTICULAR- WE- WERE. TWELVE
FORTY FIVE OUR MEMBERS WORKED
FOR PG&E AND TWENTY PLUS OTHER
UTILITIES TWENTY EIGHT THE BILL
THESE. IN NORTHERN CENTER
CALIFORNIA INCLUDING MUD AND
OTHER LARGE MUNICIPAL UTILITIES-
WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN THE
ISSUES AROUND THE AFFORDABILITY
QUESTIONS AND APPRECIATE THE-
NEW PRESIDENT THE- ANY INTEREST
AND COMMITMENT ON AFFORDABILITY-
AND WE VERY MUCH SUPPORT THE
NAME PROPOSED DECISION THAT WAS
ISSUED- LATE LAST YEAR- IT'S A
FACT BASED. DECISION IT CRITICAL
ELEMENTS AND I JUST DID WANT TO
POINT OUT ONE PIECE I THINK MANY
OF THE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE- CORRECTLY IDENTIFIED.
ISSUES THAT ARE OF CONCERN TO US
INCLUDING- CARE HOLDEN- CONCERNS
AROUND- A RATE REVOLT- BUT.
FIGUEROA COMMON SIR HUGH. YEAH
HAPPY TO- THE STAFF IDENTIFY THE
THREE POINT ONE BILLION DOLLARS
STAFF ANALYSIS OF THIS COMMITTEE
DID THAT BUT A THREE POINT ONE
BILLION DOLLARS- KASHIF FROM
TWENTY TWENTY- AT THE SAME TIME
THE CPUC. AND- YEAH YOU KNOW-
WHITE PAPER IDENTIFIED TOTAL
COSTS THROUGH THE THROUGH THE
THREE I- USE OF THREE HUNDRED
AND TWENTY MILLION DOLLARS IN A
WILDFIRE PROTECTION- WORK IN
TWENTY TWENTY THANK YOU FOR
THAT. YOU KNOW THAT'S THAT'S
ALMOST ONE TENTH THANK YOU FOR
THE TIME THANK YOU SIR. THANK
YOU NEXT ABOUT A LINE OF THIRTY
SIX YOUR LINE IS OPEN PLEASE GO
AHEAD. CAN YOU HEAR ME YES
PLEASE. WHERE INSURED MEMBER MY
NAME MICHELLE ARCH I'D LIKE TO
ADDRESS ASSEMBLY MEMBER WOULD BE
BOLA- FORGIVE ME IF I'VE BEEN ON
BOTH THE WRONG AGAIN ALICE
REYNOLDS- STILL DIDN'T REALLY
COME PREPARED THIS HEARING I
FEEL. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT EQUITY
WITH OPERATING ENERGY TO
EVERYONE THAT INCLUDE THE MIDDLE
CLASS HERE IN YOUR ANALYSIS. YOU
CAN START TAX ARE BEATING THE
BILLS THAT YOU'RE- MANY
CALIFORNIANS ARE LEAVING THE
STATE DUE TO HIGH GAS PRICES
HIGH INFLATION. MISMANAGED
FUNDING EUGENIE CORRUPTION
PEOPLE OF SUCH A COVER NINETEEN
BACK NATION BUT THEY DON'T
PREVENT THE SPREAD. TOO MUCH
INEQUALITY. HIGHER RATES
INCLINED. DRAPEAU MAN THERE ARE
BACK TO WORK FOR LARGER. THAT
HIGHER COSTS FOR THE SMALLER
BUSINESSES AND HOMEOWNERS AND.
THIRTY THREE HUNDRED THIRTY
EIGHT. THANK YOU TO PUNISH US.
FOR ONLY NATURAL GAS DEMAND
THEIR INCREASING AS WORKING FOR
IN THE STATE AS YOU NOW. I DON'T
THINK IT'S FAIR THAT YOU GUYS
ARE TRYING TO RAISE EUGENE IS
TRYING TO RAISE TAX INCREASES.
ARE NOT THE TAXPAYERS HERE IN
CALIFORNIA THANK YOU. THANK YOU
THANKS FOR YOUR- THANK YOU NEXT
WE WILL GO TO LINE OF THIRTY
EIGHT YOUR LINE IS OPEN.
HIGHLINE THIRTY EIGHT CAN I BE
HEARD IN COMMITTEE. HELLO MY IN
THE COMMITTEE HEARING OF THE
CPUC YES YOU HAVE A ONE MINUTE
PLEASE FRANKLY I FRANKLY THIS
HEARING SEEMS TO BE YET ANOTHER
EXAMPLE OF THE SMOKE AND MIRRORS
OF THE LEGISLATURE BY HEARING
TAKING PLACE AT THE END OF A
DOMINO EFFECT OF CATASTROPHIC
POLICIES. THAT HAVE CAUSED
CALIFORNIA TO BE IN THE MATH BUT
IT IS AND WITH RESPECT TO THE
FIRES THE BLAME OF WHICH I
ATTRIBUTE TO YOU THE LEGISLATURE
AS WELL AS THE GOVERNOR SO CALL
ME SKEPTICAL WHEN I ASK WHAT
WILL YOU DO THE LEGISLATURE TO.
SET UP ANOTHER TASK FORCE
ANOTHER COMMITTEE OUT TO THE
CALIFORNIA CARBON PLAN HIRE MORE
EXPERTS WITH OUR MONEY WHEN YOU
HAVE SO OBVIOUSLY FAILED US WITH
YOUR POLICIES UP UNTIL NOW AND
WE ARE SUPPOSED TO JUST SIT BACK
AND TRUST YOU SORRY I DON'T NOT
EVEN FOR ONE MOMENT. IT SEEMS TO
ME THAT THIS HEARING SCREAMS OF
THE TOTAL AND UTTER ABDICATION
OF RESPONSIBILITY TO
CALIFORNIANS BY THIS LEGISLATURE
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE CUTTING
PEOPLE OFF I CAN'T BELIEVE I
JUST STEP THROUGH THIS LISTENING
TO YOU AND YOUR SUPPOSED EXPERT
FROM THE ONGOING CORRUPTION WITH
THE CPU THANK YOU DO A LOT OF
GUN FIRE. MANAGEMENT POLICIES
AND- EXCEPT. THANK YOU AND ARE
LAST CALL- WILL BE FROM MY
THIRTY YOUR LINE IS OPEN. GOOD
AFTERNOON I APPRECIATE THE TIME
MY NAME IS JOHN KENNEDY I'M WITH
THE WORLD COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES
OF CALIFORNIA WE REPRESENT
THIRTY EIGHT WORLD COUNTIES
THROUGHOUT THE STATE. AND OUR
OUR MEMBER COUNTIES OF BORN THE
MAJORITY OF RECENT WILDFIRE RISK
IN DAMAGES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL
YEARS. YOU KNOW REALLY
APPRECIATE YOU HOLDEN HEARING
TODAY WE HAVE TWO KEY ISSUES
WHEN IT COMES TO ENERGY
AFFORDABILITY AND RELIABILITY
AND THEY GO HAND IN HAND AND WE
HAVE TO HELP. SO AFFORDABILITY
WORK WE RECOGNIZE- COSTS HAVE
GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY WE
WRECKED- REPRESENT A LOT OF
UNDER RESOURCE COUNTIES FAR
BELOW THE MEDIAN STATEWIDE
HOUSEHOLD INCOME. IS SO WE'RE
VERY SENSITIVE TO AFFORDABILITY
ISSUES BUT WE RECOGNIZE THE LONG
OVERDUE NEED TO INVEST WATER
RISK REDUCTION. AND WITH THAT
BECAUSE WE'RE LIABILITIES WE'VE
GONE FROM COMMUNITIES WITH
SIGNIFICANT PS PS CHRIS RISK
EXPOSURE. TO SIX HUNDRED OUTAGE
RELATED TO TEACHING HIS NEW EPS
US SYSTEM WE RECOGNIZE THE
UTILITY BILL SYSTEMS BUT SIX
HUNDRED OUTAGES- MOST OF WHICH
LASTED FROM EIGHT TO TWELVE
HOURS- IS REALLY DIFFICULT FOR
US TO BEAR ESPECIALLY WHEN THAT
SYSTEM'S GOING TO BE EXPANDED
STATEWIDE. NEXT YEAR SO WE LOOK
TO BUILD AND RELIABILITY FOR
INFRASTRUCTURE HARDENING MICRO
GRIDS THANK READ THERE AND HOOK
IT WRAPPING AWAY FROM YOU AND
UTILITIES. YES AND HOPE WE CAN
WORK UP WITH YOU. AND YOU TOLD.
TO ENSURE THAT THE MY AND OTHER
IN. HAPPENS WITH. INCLUDES TO I
ADDRESS. IF STORM REALLY OUTAGES
TO FUND HUNDRED OUT GREAT THANK
YOU VERY SONOMA. MADAM MODERATOR
. AND MEDICARE WE HAVE ONE MARIN
Q. AND THAT'S GOING TO COME FROM
LINE FORTY TWO YOUR LINE IS OPEN
. YOU START ASIDE AN HOUR YOU
HAVE NO BUSINESS CUTTING THE
PHONES. ZERO NINE I THINK WE THE
PEOPLE BACKING BY THE GOVERNMENT
THIS IS OUR HEARING. ANYONE ELSE
WE HAVE NO FURTHER IN QUEUE AT
THIS TIME ALL RIGHT TO THAT
PERSON GOT AT LEAST THREE
MINUTES OF- PUBLIC TESTIMONY
DECIDED TO USE OUR TIME IN THAT
MANNER- WE WILL LOVE BE NOW
CONCLUDING. THIS THE INFORMATION
HEARING I WANT TO THANK- THE
PANELISTS WHO PARTICIPATED WITH
US TODAY THIS IS THE FIRST OF
MANY I AM FOR INFORMATIONAL AND
EDUCATIONAL CONVERSATIONS THAT
THIS COMMITTEE IS GOING TO BE
HAVING. AND AGAIN THANK YOU FOR
ALL THE MEMBERS WHO- WILL
PRESENT TODAY THANK YOU TO THE
TEAM WHO PUT THIS AGENDA
TOGETHER- WE WILL ADJOURN IT IS-
THREE TWENTY. THREE THIRTY THANK
YOU.